Fabrice,

An interesting and evocative question and dilemma! I should really think on it 
over time and reply in depth...but some thoughts of the top instead...

I agree with other repliers that the definition really does not exclude humans 
per se...unless we focus on the "special" aspect of your ID of humans as 
"special animals". So I think the CBD definition is OK in the broadest sense of 
all animals.

But I also agree that humans are special animals...so what could we change?

My core idea of ecosystem as I remember Tansley to have originally coined it 
mentioned and emphasized "reciprocal" influence between the abiotic and biotic 
realms. And I think it a reasonable extension to also suggest the definition so 
far includes a sense of a balanced reciprocity...not necessarily equilibrium, 
stasis, homeostasis or simple stability...but still in general a kind of equal 
weighting, value, importance, dominance, or causal driving by the biotic and 
abiotic realms.

If we tried to address what is special about humans as animals, in this context 
of ecosystem as a functional biotic-abiotic unit...what to emphasize?

One option would be to say that when humans enter the integrated functional 
whole of an ecosystem, the relationship is no longer reciprocal or balanced 
between biotic and abiotic realms. This does not necessarily have to mean that 
this change is "bad", just that it is different from ecosystems without humans. 
The change would be compatible with the idea of the anthropocene era in which 
humans are the main driving force of change...even geologic, atmospheric, 
biogeochemical, species extinctions, etc. changes...on the planet. Another very 
general analogy would be to say that without humans the organisms and 
communities within ecosystems (biotic) adapt themselves mainly to survival 
needs as defined by abiotic changes, but humans (biotic) adapt (alter) the 
abiotic (and biotic) environment to our own needs. This is grossly 
general...and not even a clearly separable difference between humans and other 
species, especially those studied as "ecosystem engineers", but it is a rough 
start.

So...a revised approach would be to leave the definition of ecosystem as it is 
(or one of the other classic or widely used versions by Odum and others), but 
to add some modifier to another term or type of ecosystem and define that one 
differently. This might be "coupled human-natural ecosystems" or 
"human-dominated ecosystems" or "human ecosystems" or "ecosystems with humans".

But I think you open a can of worms that has to remain fuzzy and open-ended, 
because I think it an open question as to whether we humans can continue this 
lopsided relationship and continue to alter the environment to our needs and 
wishes. If the pendulum swings back as we reach the environmental limits of the 
planet, then the old and original ecosystem definition may be fine. If we find 
some way to transcend these planetary limits or "boundaries"...then we humans 
really are special enough to require an expanded definition of ecosystem.

Some thoughts...would be fun to discuss more...

Dan



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Dan Fiscus
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-----Original Message-----
From: Ecological Society of America: grants, jobs, news on behalf of Fabrice De 
Clerck
Sent: Fri 6/25/2010 11:20 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [ECOLOG-L] Humans in the definition of ecosystems
 
Dear Friends,

An environmental economist colleague of mine is disappointed with the CBD 
definition of ecosystems which gives the impression that only pristine areas 
are ecosystems. Can anyone point us to a more recent definition of ecosystems 
that explicitly includes humans as an integral part of the definition?

Here is the original question:

The CBD defines ecosystems as a dynamic complex of plant, animal and 
micro-organism communities and their non-living environment interacting as a 
functional unit.

I find this boring, as it leaves us humans, as special animals, out of the 
picture. When you read it, it is easy to think of pristine environments. Has 
there been any reaction or correction of this definition? I need an 
authoritative quote that balances the CBD´s

All reactions welcome, and citations welcome!

Fabrice
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Fabrice DeClerck PhD
Community and Landscape Ecologist
Division of Research and Development
CATIE 7170, Turrialba, Costa Rica 30501
(506) 2558-2596
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Adjunct Research Scholar
Tropical Agriculture Programs
The Earth Institute at Columbia University
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