Please note that I did acknowledge that cynicism has some real justification, 
by point was supposed to be that optimism is the only option; embracing 
pessimism, especially its handmaiden, ennui and inaction just because one feels 
one's impact may be slight, is a fundamentally fatal fatalism fetish to be 
foregone. 

There's nothing silly about the fraction of a millimeter that one or a 
multitude of inputs might have on the destiny of life on earth, nay, the drop 
in the bucket of one individual may be decisive, at least in some way--a kind 
of keystone action, as it were. It will take time, time, TIME--way beyond my 
tenure on earth, and, I suspect, that of all of us. I am reminded at how 
impressed I was at the British stiff upper lip when, clickety-clacking through 
east London, inbound from France several years ago, upon espying a giant 
billboard atop a dingy factory building that defiantly declared, "TAKE 
COURAGE!" (I was unaware that it was referring to a brand of ale but, no 
matter, I still give the whole nation credit anyway.) 

And, I continue to stand upon my first lesson in biology from that quietly 
heroic, cow-college professor, Lee Haines, who never gave a damn about whether 
or not he was remembered for his simple genius in presenting to "we, the 
ignorant," two Petri dishes--one with a smear of slime and a flatworm, the 
other with a bacterium colony, and having us place a drop of saline solution in 
the first, a trace of mold in the other, and had us watch what happened in each 
case. All these decades later, that first lesson, that first day, that opening 
up of my eyes to the essence of biology and ecology, and I continue to see 
through the sight he gave me. Such steps are not difficult, but they don't win 
Nobel Prizes. They do win the eternal gratitude of those they have touched, 
however. I still visualize the entire earth, or any subset thereof, as a Petri 
dish. I don't have to know everything, but I do have to know what I don't know 
(credit here to a remark made by Margaret Mead, who handled both fame and 
criticism equally well). 

So, sure, I recognize that there is a lot of ignorance out there in "the 
public," but that brings back the earthy 19th century philosophy of Henry Shaw, 
who, as the character he invented, Josh Billings, once said something like, 
"The worst kind of ignorance ain't s' much not knowin', as 'tis knowin' s' much 
that ain't so." If we can get any "message" across to non-ecologists and 
non-scientists, we could do worse than to keep on pointing out that rising up 
in understanding permits us to see more and more of our own ignorance, not 
less. The biggest danger is leaving the impression that we are in possession of 
The Word, and that it is final. Moreover, "the public" needs to discover that 
living a life of continuous questioning is a helluva lot of fun! (The 
implication, of course, which should remain unmentioned--they will get it 
without any finger-wagging--is that relying upon frozen paradigms and failing 
to see the underlying truths imbedded in myths by only taking them literally 
leads to intellectual bondage, not freedom.) 

Joshin' might be a lost art, but it might be worth resurrecting as just one way 
of resisting inflated pomposity. 

WT
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Martin Meiss 
  To: Wayne Tyson 
  Cc: [email protected] 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 2:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Defining biodiversity, and does the term capture the 
public's attention?


          Despite the apparent cynicism of my earlier post on this thread, I 
would like to accept Wayne T's optimism that the public can be brought to an 
understanding of biodiversity that is more sophisticated than a mere species 
list.  However, in one sense this is opening a Pandora's box.  When people 
realize that going beyond the mere list involves weighting the species by 
various criteria, they will be curious about the criteria.
         Is a hypothetical forest ecosystem with two tree species and one moss 
species more diverse than a forest with one tree species and two moss species?  
To a person going for a walk, or a logger, the former is certainly more 
diverse.  This leads naturally (even if erroneously) to the conclusion that 
mosses don't matter as much as trees, and further, to the idea that it really 
doesn't matter if some human activity leads to the extinction of those little 
species that most people don't notice.
        Saying that those seemingly insignificant species might hold the cure 
for cancer, as has often been done, rings pretty hollow to most people, I 
believe, because they realize that the overwhelming majority of species DON'T 
hold the cure for cancer.  People might accept that wiping out an 
"insignificant" insect would matter if it happened to be the sole pollinator of 
some species we really care about, but how likely is that in the temperate zone?
        Relying on those "charismatic megafaunae" to justify habitat 
preservation may also run out of steam when the stakes are high.  (Some people 
want villagers in Africa to put up with prowling lions, but they wouldn't want 
it in there back yard in New Jersey.)  Should we work on a diversity index that 
takes into account cuteness and nobleness?
        Saying or implying that all species are sacred and must be preserved is 
religion (or maybe a gut instinct for us nature lovers), but not science.  At 
least, I think it would be hard to justify scientifically.  Similarly, can we 
scientifically justify the (often implied) assumption that high diversity is 
better than low diversity in a given ecosystem?
         I may seem to be wandering off topic, but my point is this: educating 
the public about diversity and other ecological matters is empowering them, and 
they will use that power in the coming years to make decisions about which 
ecosystems to preserve and which to allow to go to ruin.  The leap of faith is 
that an educated public will make wiser choices than a public that merely 
listens to or ignores what the experts say.  So maybe it's not Pandora's box, 
after all.
        Finally, here's some ponderable questions for all of us: Would you be 
willing to die to prevent the tiger from going extinct?  How about a flightless 
bird on a tiny island?  How about a mosquito?  How about the smallpox virus?

                     Martin M. Meiss


  2010/12/14 Wayne Tyson <[email protected]>

    Euan and Ecolog:

    Uhhh, I dunno, but I suspect that "the public" resents exclusion and other 
forms of disrespect just as intensely as do scientists and other academics and 
"intellectuals."

    First, you have to open the door. The primary deficiency (oh, hell, there 
are so many "primary" deficiencies, that must be wrong) is the closed-door that 
separates the intellectual from the anti-intellectual. "Anti-intellectualism" 
certainly exists, along with a host of other expressions of fear, but as long 
as self-styled intellectuals, some of them scientists, even ecologists slam 
doors in the faces of "the public," it will not decline. Biodiversity might be 
a perfectly reasonable term for the phenomenon of complex species assemblages 
and ecosystems, but understanding the term might be less important than 
understanding their ups and downs and requirements and limitations. Translating 
that for "the public" might be more important than finding a new term. "The 
Public," given due respect, just might be capable of rising above or extending 
beyond, sound bytes and terminology. Vacuums tend to be filled eventually.

    The phenomena related to misunderstanding and confusion and resistance to 
understanding might benefit (or be screwed up) by a disciplined examination of 
the evidence. I doubt that extended hyperbole will have much effect.

    WT

    PS: The public's ignorance of biodiversity's real meaning might not be the 
first step toward understanding what life is all about; stimulating curiosity 
and responding to enquiry once it is sparked might be the bridge that would be 
crowded by the multitudes once they are beckoned by the gatekeepers. I remember 
my astonishment when the project manager of an ecosystem restoration project 
upon which I was working was astonished when I inadvertently "revealed" to her 
that chaparral was a term for a vegetation type, not a single species of plant. 
She and I both made leaps out of our respective ignorances that day, and I have 
since tried to be more considerate of the potential for even "clear" 
terminology to foster unwarranted conclusions. I have since learned and 
re-learned that terminology that conveys clarity to the "ins" may be quite 
inadequate with respect to the "outs." United in the quest toward greater and 
greater understanding, specialists and generalists may yet be able to compound 
their strengths rather than to diminish each other.

    As to a space-holder "definition" of bio-diversity (maybe the hyphen should 
be left in?) for "public" consumption, one might say that biodiversity, at 
root, means that life forms are almost uncountable and uncounted, and each is 
in a process of seeking good places and good associates, just as we humans form 
interdependencies and encounter limitations in the business of living, dying, 
and changing. However, I'm sure some will come up with much better responses to 
Ritchie's most reasonable request.


    ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ritchie, Euan" <[email protected]>
    To: <[email protected]>

    Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 3:05 PM

    Subject: [ECOLOG-L] Defining biodiversity, and does the term capture the 
public's attention?



    Hi everyone,

    I have just returned from the Ecological Society of Australia meeting and 
among other issues, there was much discussion about the term biodiversity. Many 
people argue that this term is hard to define, and importantly, the public have 
no idea what it actually means and therefore they have less connection/concern 
to preserve/conserve species and habitats. I thought it would be interesting to 
hear how others define biodiversity, and if this term isn't helpful for 
conveying the importance of species diversity to the public, what term(s) 
should we use?

    Over to you,

    Euan


    Dr. Euan G. Ritchie, Lecturer in Ecology, School of Life and Environmental 
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