Although I agree with you philosophicly, its the expectations of others that lead to employment.
GIS has not always been important, it is now. The goal in my list is not to be prepared to do all this work, its to create a portfolio of evidence that suggests you have the tools to do the work. For example, pub admin is not going to magically make you an adminstrator. It will, however, demonstrate you know some of the foundation principles needed to do administrative duties. It also demonstrates you have the interest and dedication to do this kind of work. Much of the education we tackle is not to learn stuff we will use, but to demonstrate we have the capacity to learn new things so that when we are hired, they know we can be trained to do what they want. The harder the stuff you take, the more evidence that you can learn difficult tasks. Malcolm On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 4:13 PM, Wayne Tyson <landr...@cox.net> wrote: > Ecolog: > > It's just interesting that the number-one skill required for ecology is GIS. > Now I know why I was such a failure! > > Well, on second thought, I guess I shouldn't place all the blame on the > absence of GIS skills (and the absence of GIS at the time). I "sucked" at > statistics too--but what the hell, statisticians need jobs too, no? > > So after I got out of the military, I took Business Administration and a few > courses of Public Administration, but the latter I had to learn mostly > on-the-job--no college can prepare one for the absurdities of > "administration" and "management" in bureaucracies, government and private. > > I took business law. 'Nuff said. > > I was no chemist, molecular biologist, or microbiologist either, so I hired > them when I needed them. The smidgen of those subjects I knew about was > often enough to get by without them, but I sure do wish that I had had more > of them, and WAY more geology. > > Margaret Mead once said that "the most important thing to know is what you > don't know." > That concept took off any pressure to be an APC (all-purpose capsule), to > know EVERYTHING, and worse, to BELIEVE it. Ever notice how many people DO > know everything? > > But SHOULD your objective be focused entirely upon getting a job and > fighting your way up the pyramid? Well, you'll need a job, of course, but if > that's all you're focused on, that's all you'll ever have. Academic training > can be a valuable thing, but it's only a START--even at the Ph.D. level. > (Howls and screams.) You have to get to the point where "everything" seems > to fall into place, and you come to UNDERSTAND how things work. (See > "Breaking Through," The Ed Ricketts biography by Katherine A. Rodger, and > "The Pleasure of Finding Things Out" by Richard Feynman. "The Log From the > Sea of Cortez" by John Steinbeck (and Ricketts) is also a great read, as is > the entire book, "The Sea of Cortez" by the same author(s).) Read widely. > Experience widely. > > Don't waste your life; do what you're passionate about. Have expectations of > yourself if you want, but don't waste your life having expectations of > others. If you're not passionate, get an MBA and get rich. > > WT > > "The worst kinda ignerance ain't so much not knowin', a 'tis knowin' so much > that ain't so? --"Josh Billings" > > "They tell us we are wasting time--but we are wasting our LIVES!" --Eric > Hoffer > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "malcolm McCallum" > <malcolm.mccal...@herpconbio.org> > To: <ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU> > Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 8:03 PM > Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] A Graduate Student's Guide to Neces sary Skills for > Landing a Job > > >> Clara, I agree. >> >> To be marketable in the workplace you must have skills that are in >> demand in the workplace. Its that simple. Too many students graduate >> without marketable skills. >> Marketability for grad school does not equal marketability for a job >> out of the BS. >> You want to get a job in ecological field? >> Here are the skills I recommend: >> 1. GIS >> 2. statistics >> 3. public administration >> 4. env/wildlife/fisheries policy & law >> 5. Any and all instrumentation involving chemistry, molecular biology and >> micro. >> >> Why? >> Everything uses GIS today. >> Statistics are just plain required. >> If you are working in the public sector, PA will prepare you for what >> you actually do most of the time...paperwork. >> policy and law is mostly what you will be doing paperwork on (permits >> and permitting issues!) >> instrumentation may pick you up a research tech post. >> >> Also, if you go into the private sector, every one of those areas is >> highly marketable. >> If you have none of them, you are going to have a rougher time. >> Again, this is coming out of a BS. >> >> Ideally, you better have Wildlife + Wildlife Techniques if going into >> a wildlife field or Fisheries + fisheries techniques if going into a >> fish field. You might check the respective certification programs. >> Anything ecotox will help too. >> >> Malcolm >> >> >> >> On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 5:31 PM, Clara B. Jones <foucaul...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> 1. ...assuming that your summary is an accurate reflection of the >>> *CB*article... >>> 2. ...i am shocked that there is no mention of actual skills...most of >>> the >>> traits you mention might be categorized as "intangible"...you need these >>> skills to be a car salesman...not to impugn car sales-persons... >>> 3. ...IMO, an applicant has a better edge if s/he brings something >>> transferrable [marketable!] to the table that no-one else brings to the >>> table... >>> 4. ...often this "something" is one or more quantitative skill... >>> 5. ...or, skill in a fundamental or "hot" area of research w long-term >>> potential... >>> 6. ...or, a grant... >>> 7. ...i am somewhat exercised by your post because, IMO, too many young, >>> especially, female, applicants don't bring much to the table that others >>> don't already know or that cannot be readily duplicated or that is mostly >>> generalist-oriented... >>> 8. ...early-career applicants need to bring something "with legs"...as my >>> Grandmother Jackson used to say...in other words, bring something to the >>> table that can go somewhere [that the department and the >>> college/university >>> and the field want to go]... >>> 9. ...clara b. jones >>> >>> On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Helen Bothwell >>> <helen.bothw...@nau.edu>wrote: >>> >>>> In a recent publication in Conservation Biology, Blickley et al. (2012) >>>> analayzed what skills are necessary for graduate students to be >>>> competitive in >>>> the job market. We discuss these in the Early Career Ecologists blog >>>> and >>>> hope >>>> that many of you will find this useful: >>>> >>>> >>>> http://earlycareerecologists.wordpress.com/2013/02/12/a-graduate-students- >>>> >>>> guide-to-necessary-skills-for-landing-a-job/<http://earlycareerecologists.wordpress.com/2013/02/12/a-graduate-students-guide-to-necessary-skills-for-landing-a-job/> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Clara B. Jones >>> Director >>> Mammals and Phenogroups (MaPs) >>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/cbjones1943 >>> Cell: -828-279-4429 >>> Blog Profile: http://www.blogger.com/profile/09089578792549394529 >>> Brief CV: >>> >>> http://vertebratesocialbehavior.blogspot.com/2012/10/clara-b-jones-brief-cv.html >>> >>> >>> >>> "Where no estimate of error of any kind can be made, generalizations >>> about >>> populations from sample data are worthless." 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