It's apparently the norm in some fields, notably medicine, and I haven't heard of any ill effects, nor is it easy to imagine what the downsides could be for the general quality of publication. Maybe just not enough squeaky wheels?
- Cynthia On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 11:45 PM, Wayne Tyson <[email protected]> wrote: > O'Rourke and Ecolog: > > Why isn't this a uniform policy? > > Bias has no place in science, but it's everywhere. > > In fact, I think the submittals should be blind as well, to ensure that > papers are judged on merit only. Students could be used as screeners, with > editors checking all submissions and the reasons for rejection/acceptance > by the screeners, to keep costs and the editors' work loads down. > > Finally, of course, the authors' and reviewers' names should be published, > and all comments published. There should be a reasonable amount of back and > forth between the reviewers and authors in the blind, so that reviewers and > authors can be frank. > > Nothing polishes like fine grit. > > WT > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia O'Rourke" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 6:50 PM > Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] So what does the science say? ... Re: [ECOLOG-L] > Gender issues > > > "Double-blind peer review, in which neither author nor reviewer identity > are revealed, is rarely practised in ecology or evolution journals. > However, in 2001, double-blind review was introduced by the journal > Behavioral Ecology. Following this policy change, there was a significant > increase in female first-authored papers, a pattern not observed in a very > similar journal that provides reviewers with author information. No > negative effects could be identified, suggesting that double-blind review > should be considered by other journals." > > Budden et al. 2008 Double-blind review favours increased representation of > female authors. Trends Ecol Evol 23(1):4-6 > > On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 7:08 PM, Denise Burchsted > <[email protected]>**wrote: > > Science faculty’s subtle gender biases favor male students >> http://www.pnas.org/content/****early/2012/09/14/1211286109<http://www.pnas.org/content/**early/2012/09/14/1211286109> >> <ht**tp://www.pnas.org/content/**early/2012/09/14/1211286109<http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2012/09/14/1211286109> >> > >> >> "science faculty from research-intensive universities rated the >> application materials of a student—who was randomly assigned either a male >> or female name—for a laboratory manager position. Faculty participants >> rated the male applicant as significantly more competent and hireable than >> the (identical) female applicant. These participants also selected a >> higher >> starting salary and offered more career mentoring to the male applicant. >> The gender of the faculty participants did not affect responses, such that >> female and male faculty were equally likely to exhibit bias against the >> female student. " >> >> >> On 2/19/2013 4:15 PM, Hanberry, Brice B. wrote: >> >> Or is it (sexist)? >>> >>> See: Bias Is Hurting Women in Science, Panel Reports >>> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/****09/19/science/19women.html?_r=****0<http://www.nytimes.com/2006/**09/19/science/19women.html?_r=**0> >>> <http://www.nytimes.com/**2006/09/19/science/19women.**html?_r=0<http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/19/science/19women.html?_r=0> >>> > >>> >>> Five Years After an Incendiary Remark, Signs That Harvard Is More >>> Welcoming to Women >>> http://thechoice.blogs.**nytim**es.com/2010/03/12/**harvard-2/<http://nytimes.com/2010/03/12/**harvard-2/> >>> **<http://thechoice.blogs.**nytimes.com/2010/03/12/**harvard-2/<http://thechoice.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/03/12/harvard-2/> >>> > >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Ecological Society of America: grants, jobs, news [mailto: >>> [email protected].**EDU <[email protected]>] On Behalf Of >>> Jane Shevtsov >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 1:36 PM >>> To:[email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Gender issues >>> >>> Let's not forget that the original comment that triggered this whole >>> discussion was made by a woman! I don't think it was intended to be >>> sexist. >>> It's not sexist to say, "In my experience, women tend to do X and would >>> be better off doing Y". It may be accurate or inaccurate, but it's not >>> sexist. >>> >>> Jane Shevtsov >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Leslie M. Adams >>> <[email protected]>****wrote: >>> >>> Now, I am the one who must speak up and voice my support for Yvette >>> >>>> (and Chandreyee). While no slight may have been intended, as a female >>>> scientist I too experienced the responses Yvette cites - and >>>> especially the one recently posted by Dr. Olden - as belittling and >>>> dismissive. There is considerable gender bias in the fields of ecology >>>> and biology and it is important to object to it whenever it arises; >>>> whether intentional or not. Perhaps it is easy to counsel "moving on" >>>> when you are unaffected by this handicap personally, but to say that >>>> it is somehow unsuitable or inappropriate to address on this listserv >>>> is ridiculous and dismisses the tremendously damaging effect this bias >>>> has on many, many lives. It is also not lost on me that the issue of >>>> gender has somehow arisen in a discussion of the skills necessary for >>>> landing a job in ecology. I would suggest that this is no coincidence. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Leslie M. Adams, Ph.D. >>>> >>>> Adjunct Professor of Plant Systematics >>>> >>>> Professional Training and Development >>>> >>>> University of New Hampshire >>>> >>>> >>>> <http://home.comcast.net/~****leslie.adams/<http://home.comcast.net/~**leslie.adams/> >>>> <http://home.**comcast.net/~leslie.adams/<http://home.comcast.net/~leslie.adams/> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> http://home.comcast.net/~****leslie.adams/<http://home.comcast.net/~**leslie.adams/> >>>> <http://home.**comcast.net/~leslie.adams/<http://home.comcast.net/~leslie.adams/> >>>> > >>>> >>>> Home Office: 603 / 659-6177 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Adjunct Associate Professor of Environmental Sustainability >>>> >>>> School of Undergraduate Studies (online) >>>> >>>> University of Maryland University College >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Adjunct Professor of Life Sciences >>>> >>>> Department of Liberal Arts >>>> >>>> New Hampshire Institute of Art >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used >>>> when we created them." - Albert Einstein >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Ecological Society of America: grants, jobs, news >>>> [mailto:[email protected].****EDU <[email protected]>] On >>>> Behalf Of Julian Olden >>>> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 1:04 PM >>>> To:[email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] A Graduate Student’s Guide to Neces >>>> sary Skills for Landing a Job >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Yvette, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Apologies, but your interpretation of my suggestion is extremely >>>> misguided >>>> >>>> and flat-out wrong. My response was a cleaver way of saying that you >>>> can >>>> >>>> ignore the silly responses of particular ECO-LOGGERS (some of which >>>> have a >>>> >>>> track record of this behavior) by filtering your emails. Unfortunately >>>> >>>> your email has added fuel to a series of ECOLOG posts that have very >>>> >>>> little to do with the original premise of the Blickley et al. (2012). >>>> >>>> Let's all move on now. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Julian >>>> >>>> --- >>>> >>>> Julian D. Olden >>>> >>>> Freshwater Ecology & Conservation Lab >>>> >>>> School of Aquatic and Fishery Sciences >>>> >>>> University of Washington, Seattle WA 98195 >>>> >>>> e:<mailto:[email protected]> [email protected], t: (206) 616-3112 < >>>> <tel:%28206%29%20616-3112> tel:%28206%29%20616-3112> >>>> >>>> w:<http://www.fish.washington.****edu/research/oldenlab/<http:** >>>> //www.fish.washington.edu/**research/oldenlab/<http://www.fish.washington.edu/research/oldenlab/> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> http://www.fish.washington.****edu/research/oldenlab/<http://** >>>> www.fish.washington.edu/**research/oldenlab/<http://www.fish.washington.edu/research/oldenlab/> >>>> > >>>> >>>> skype: goldenolden >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "The face of the river . . . was not a book to be read once and thrown >>>> >>>> aside, for it had a new story to tell every day." < Mark Twain >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2/18/13 7:37 AM, "Yvette Dickinson" <<mailto: >>>> [email protected]> >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Like Chandreyee Mitra I was surprised by the comment included in >>>> >>>>> Clara's >>>>> list: >>>>> "7. ...i am somewhat exercised by your post because, IMO, too many >>>>> young, >>>>> especially, female, >>>>> applicants don't bring much to the table that others don't already >>>>> know >>>>> or that cannot be readily >>>>> duplicated or that is mostly generalist-oriented..." >>>>> This is a sentiment that I have heard before in other venues and find >>>>> abhorrent. I initially chose not >>>>> to comment on it here, but I do support Chandreyee's in her comment. >>>>> However, I am disgusted by the response Chandreyee recieved. To be >>>>> told >>>>> to simply use your email >>>>> filter and not worry your silly little head over such matters is >>>>> offensive. The concerns Chandreyee >>>>> raised are legitimate, and should be addressed with the gravity and >>>>> respect they deserve. >>>>> I would like to remind all readers of ESA's code of ethics, >>>>> particularly >>>>> principle g. >>>>> "Ecologists will not discriminate against others, in the course of >>>>> their >>>>> work on the basis of gender, >>>>> sexual orientation, marital status, creed, religion, race, color, >>>>> national origin, age, economic status, >>>>> disability, or organizational affiliation." >>>>> Yvette Dickinson >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>> ------------- >>> Jane Shevtsov, Ph.D. >>> Mathematical Biology Curriculum Writer, UCLA co-founder,www.** >>> worldbeyondborders.org >>> <http://www.**worldbeyondborders.org<http://www.worldbeyondborders.org> >>> > >>> >>> "Those who say it cannot be done should not interfere with those who are >>> doing it." --attributed to Robert Heinlein, George Bernard Shaw and >>> others >>> >>> >> > > -- > Cynthia O'Rourke > Mendelson Lab > Department of Biological Sciences, UMBC > 615-389-1890 > [email protected] > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1430 / Virus Database: 2639/5616 - Release Date: 02/19/13 >
