Many on the list will know all about it, but it's probably worth pointing out 
the thinking/effort of Paul Ehrlich and the MAHB (pronounced "mob" I think):

http://mahb.stanford.edu/

The predictions of the "Population Bomb" didn't quite come to pass...but the 
issues haven't gone away.  

There are no simple, single solutions...*everyone* has to do *everything* they 
can.

Cheers,
John Berges


 
> Date:    Wed, 25 Sep 2013 09:01:07 -0600
> From:    Matt Neidenberg <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: Growth and Laissez-faire
> 
> "All hands on deck!" Even if we halved the global population today we
> would s=
> till need to deal with many of the same basic issues regarding
> population, r=
> esource, and environment.=20
> 
> Growth is inherent in our economic systems. If no growth, depressed
> economy.=
>  That's just how the gears of capitalism are forged. Thus, the
>  inevitable co=
> nflict between the natural world and the human economy is obvious.=20
> The author of the article states,
> "But our rate of use must be confined within the regenerative and
> absorptive=
>  capacities of the ecosystem."  And, "Once the economy is constrained
>  in agg=
> regate scale to stay within the limits imposed by the ecosystem, we
> could th=
> en fine-tune its allocative efficiency by internalizing remaining
> external c=
> osts into market prices." =20
> 
> OK, and how does he propose we do this? Laws passed by our
> ecologically cons=
> cious congress? Even if we could get to that point, we're just one
> country. C=
> hina, India, etc.?
> Furthermore, who (what human construct) decides what the limits of
> our ecosy=
> stem are? A team of elite scientists and policy makers whom all the
> politici=
> ans have full trust in to set the "limits" of their economy. Sarcasm
> intende=
> d.
> 
> And Aaron, I love how you call Idiocracy a documentary!=20
> 
> I can honestly and humbly say I don't know what is going to help us
> in the p=
> lace we are in right now apart from a massive global shift in
> consciousness o=
> n such a deep level as to permeate our fundamental aspect of being on
> this p=
> lanet.=20
> But for now, "All hands on deck!"
> 
> 
> Thank You,
> Matt Neidenberg
>  www.greener50.com=20
>  co-founder | executive=20
> 
> -Growning Our Eco-conomy through Community

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