Reasons like those mentioned by Mitch and Carola are why this published by
Mongabay was among our top 10 most read articles of 2017:

A rich person’s profession? Young conservationists struggle to make it
https://news.mongabay.com/2017/08/a-rich-persons-profession-young-conservationists-struggle-to-make-it/

   - *Mongabay interviewed young conservationists about their experiences
   launching their careers.*
   - *Many of them related similar stories of having to reconsider their
   career choice as a result of the conservation sector’s tight job market,
   high educational and experience requirements, and often-temporary
   entry-level jobs.*
   - *To meet prospective employers’ demands for experience, many graduates
   become stuck in full-time unpaid internships or long-term volunteering.*
   - *As a result of these trends, the field of conservation may be
   hemorrhaging passionate, qualified, and innovative young people.*

The Guardian reprinted it and it got even more comment and discussion there.

Huge issue.

Erik

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On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 10:13 PM, cruzan <[email protected]> wrote:

> Whether they are listed as for profit or not they seem to be charging
> quite a lot of money for their classes - someone is profiting from that. I
> think students will generally do much better taking field courses with
> faculty from accredited universities. I don't think EcoLog should be
> advertising ecotuourism opportunities.
>
> On 1/29/2018 6:13 PM, Carola Haas wrote:
>
> I looked on the IRS website and elsewhere, and ITEC is at least truly a
> registered non-profit.
>  https://nonprofitlocator.org/organizations/fl/gainesville/
> 593434081-institute-for-tropical-ecology-and-conservation-incorporated
>
> I don’t begrudge organizations who take people on “eco-vacations” for a
> fee that allows the organizations to continue useful conservation,
> research, or education work.  But I do agree that the differences should be
> made clearer to students. It’s one thing for wealthy retirees to pay for
> these trips, something else entirely for full-time students. Many students
> get discouraged thinking that they will not be able to compete against
> other students with fancy tropical experiences that they have paid for.
> Students, employers can tell the difference and there are lots of great
> opportunities to gain research experience without paying for it (sometimes
> not in such exotic locales, but if you build a good resume in a more
> mundane place you’ll be more competitive for paid internships in more
> exciting places!).  For those who have plenty of disposable income, though,
> some of these ecotourism classes may be lots of fun, and may actually be
> good learning experiences.  But I definitely support John’s point below,
> that if you are hoping that these credits will count towards a degree
> elsewhere, make sure to get that approved through your home institution
> ahead of time!
>
> =c
>
>
> Carola A. Haas
> Professor, Wildlife Ecology
> Dept. of Fish & Wildlife Conservation
> 112 Cheatham Hall (MC 0321)
> 310 West Campus Drive, Virginia
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=310+West+Campus+Drive,+Virginia&entry=gmail&source=g>
> Tech
> Blacksburg, VA 24061
> [email protected]
> 540-231-9269 <(540)%20231-9269>
> http://www.fishwild.vt.edu/faculty/haas.htm
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 29, 2018, at 2:29 PM, John A. <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>    I have to agree that using “REU” for these courses is both misleading
> and disingenuous.  I’ve read through three of these course descriptions and
> I can’t find “REU” or corresponding words anywhere in the text.
>
>    Given this, it’s more than fair to ask exactly what “REU” is supposed
> to mean here.  As Mitch Cruzan noted, there is a federal REU program
> (Research Experiences for Undergraduates) which has been advertised on this
> list by several major universities, including UNM, University of Minnesota,
> CUNY, and others.  By contrast, this “Institute” seems to be run out of a
> private residence in the north suburbs of Gainesville, with no apparent
> university connection.
>
>    The fact that we have to question the basics of a post like this raises
> a lot of red flags for me.  I think Ecolog would be much improved if
> misleading advertisements like these simply weren’t posted here at all.  If
> I were an undergraduate I’d be confused about whether this “institute” is
> legitimate and whether any "credits" would actually transfer to my home
> university.  Undergraduates and young professionals would be better served
> if this sort of deceptive material wasn't circulated to the list.
>
>
>                                            - J. A.
>
>
>
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> Portland State University
> PO Box 751
> Portland, OR 97207 USA
> Web: http://web.pdx.edu/~cruzan/
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