Dear all, as somebody who has been closely following the rise of preprint use in ecology I wanted to chime in and share this link list that I have been assembling over the last couple of years (note the chronological order of the linked articles and how much things have changed from 2012 to 2018):
https://dynamicecology.wordpress.com/2012/07/19/esa-journals-and-ecology-letters-will-not-publish-papers-with-preprints/ http://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.1001563 http://www.oikosjournal.org/blog/new-preprint-server https://jabberwocky.weecology.org/2014/07/07/which-preprint-server-should-i-use/ https://jabberwocky.weecology.org/2014/09/08/ecology-letters-now-allows-preprints-and-why-this-is-a-big-deal-for-ecology/ http://www.nature.com/news/biologists-urged-to-hug-a-preprint-1.19384 http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/04/biorxiv-preprint-server-gets-funding-chan-zuckerberg-initiative https://jabberwocky.weecology.org/2017/05/02/is-it-ok-to-cite-preprints-yes-yes-it-is/ https://twitter.com/cshperspectives/status/871005699798700032 https://blogs.royalsociety.org/publishing/a-preprint-success-story/ https://twitter.com/cshperspectives/status/1002509448814977024 With regard to the original post I would also like to stress that the intention behind peprint servers never was to get rid of peer-review but rather attenuating the negative effects of the traditional publishing system (i.e. (1) delays due to repeated rejections and (2) closed access of the final products). Considering that the publishing systems is transforming (and likely will continue being transformed for many years to come) I think we will still need *some* type of quality control, curating service and excellence approval system similarily to the traditional journals. To what level this will integrate the exisiting infrastructure is still an open question. All the best Gregor --- Dr. Gregor Kalinkat Scientist @LeibnizIGB Berlin, DE email: kalin...@igb-berlin.de skype: gregor.kalinkat landline: +49 30 641 81 707 mobile: +49 157 870 21 304 Department of Ecosystem Research Leibniz-Institute of Freshwater Ecology and Inland Fisheries Müggelseedamm 310 12587 Berlin GERMANY www.gregorkalinkat.com | Institutional site at IGB: http://goo.gl/4hxVEL | Google Scholar profile: http://goo.gl/RI0a5 | Researchgate: http://goo.gl/hpdXbW | Publons: https://goo.gl/IBzEUk | Twitter: http://goo.gl/5hNgSL | Youtube channel: http://goo.gl/nbY6S6 -----Original message----- > From:Alicia Krzton <alicia.krz...@fulbrightmail.org> > Sent: Monday 4th June 2018 17:04 > To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU > Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] bioarxiv (questions about) > > I would just note that a comparison with publishing in a society journal is > not apples to apples. It’s free or nearly so to the author, but the reader > requires a subscription. The comparison here was to the cost to publish Open > Access, which is typically 1500-2000 dollars. Preprints get around that. > > I believe the jury is still out on preprints, myself, but clearly some people > find value in them. > > Ali K. > Research Data Management Librarian > Auburn University > > On Sun, Jun 3, 2018 at 9:31 PM cruzan <cru...@pdx.edu > <mailto:cru...@pdx.edu>> wrote: > In response: > 1. The submissions are not peer-reviewed. You can post anything > there. They just screen for stuff that is offensive or > "non-scientific." I wonder what percentage are ever published. > 2. I wonder who is citing these papers and where and why? If they > are not reliable resources then why cite them. Im guessing people > want to get some results out quickly or maybe get some feedback to > make the review process go better. > I dont see the point of posting anything on a website like this > one. The papers are suspect unless peer reviewed and I seriously > doubt that any search committee or any promotions committee would > accept a paper posted at this web site or any others like it as a > valid publication. The peer review process is not perfect, but in > most cases we get it right. If you publish in journals run by > non-profit professional societies it will cost you much less and > sometimes nothing at all. > Mitch Cruzan > > On 6/1/2018 12:24 PM, Malcolm McCallum > wrote: > Hi, > Do many of you use bioarxiv? > I recently became familiar with it, and in searching > literature, I noticed many papers deposited in it have > citations in excess of 100. It brought me to wondering about > the role of a preprint server, and read about 30-40 different > commentaries and research articles about preprint servers last > night. the parallel preprint server in physics and math, > arxiv, has been around since 1991. There are a growing number > of people who put their paper in the database, then update it, > but dont ever publish it. There are a number of op-eds and > such that suggest these servers will never or absolutely will > replace journals in the near future. > > I have to wonder how long it will be before this overtakes > journals for scholarly communication. > > 1. some funders are requiring papers to be deposited in a > preprint server.. > 2. there is no delay. > 3. there is opportunity for feedback, sort of a post-peer > review, and for you to revise the article, with all versiions > freely available. > 4. it is fully accessible by Google Scholar, probably the > most used scholarly search engine at this time. > 5. it is fully citable in a manuscript, I saw some that had > over 150, and one with 180 citations. A lot were in the > 30s. > 6. outside of tenure and review committees, the purpose of > pubs is communication, so if 1-5 are true, I have to wonder > why I should fork out $1500 to some journal to put my findings > behind a paywall. Yes, I plan to publish what I have already > posted, but it has crossed my mind as to whether there is even > a point. One could even question whether a typical tenure and > review committee would even notice or care if these are > preprints and not publications if one has been cited dozens or > hundreds of times. This is further reinforced by a trend to > evaluating scientists based on their citations and their > papers citations rather than on the citations to the journals > in which they have published (investigator impact instead of > journal impact). > > Anyone else starting to wonder about this? > > -- > Malcolm L. McCallum > Aquaculture and Water > Quality Research Scientist > School > of Agriculture and > Applied Sciences > Langston University > Langston, Oklahoma > > > Link > to online CV and > portfolio : >https://www.visualcv.com/malcolm-mc-callum?access=18A9RYkDGxO ><https://www.visualcv.com/malcolm-mc-callum?access=18A9RYkDGxO> > Google Scholar citation > page: >https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=lOHMjvYAAAAJ&hl=en ><https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=lOHMjvYAAAAJ&hl=en>Academia.edu: >https://ui-springfield.academia.edu/MalcolmMcCallum/Analytics#/activity/overview?_k=wknchj > ><https://ui-springfield.academia.edu/MalcolmMcCallum/Analytics#/activity/overview?_k=wknchj>Researchgate: > >https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Malcolm_Mccallum/reputation?ev=prf_rep_tab > ><https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Malcolm_Mccallum/reputation?ev=prf_rep_tab>Ratemyprofessor: > http://www.ratemyprofessors.com/ShowRatings.jsp?tid=706874 ><http://www.ratemyprofessors.com/ShowRatings.jsp?tid=706874> > Confidentiality > Notice: This > e-mail message, > including any attachments, > is for the sole use of > the intended > recipient(s) and may contain > confidential and > privileged information. > Any unauthorized > review, > use, disclosure or > distribution is > prohibited. 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Gilbert > 1990s: Many fish > stocks depleted due to > overfishing, habitat > loss,and pollution. > 2000: Marine reserves, > ecosystem restoration, and > pollution reduction MAY > help restore populations. > 2022: "Soylent Green is > People!" Charleton Heston > as Detective Thorn > 2022: "People were > always awful, but their > was a world once, and it > was beautiful. Edward G. > Robinson as Sol Roth. > > The Seven Blunders of the > World (Mohandas Gandhi) > Wealth w/o work > Pleasure w/o conscience > Knowledge w/o character > Commerce w/o morality > Science w/o humanity > Worship w/o sacrifice > Politics w/o principle > > > -- > ----------- > Mitch Cruzan > Professor of Biology > Portland State University > PO Box 751 > Portland, OR 97207 USA > Web:https://cruzanlab.weebly.com/ <https://cruzanlab.weebly.com/> > -----------
