Hi
Just some comments on ethics
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> Jeff wrote:
> > Or... ethics are simple rules which express our basic beliefs.
I think that more closely defines morays or even morals.
Ethics are long term survival concepts with minimal destruction, or rationality
towards the highest level of survival.>
>
> > >One tool is to look at what you ARE DOING NOW and see what that can
> > >tell you about your ethics.
> >
> > This is difficult to do. We need a reference point to compare to
> > and introspection is very painful for some people. Hummm, this
> > needs some thought.
The reference point is optimum survival for for the individual, the
group, mankind , other life forms, the physical universe, etc.
It would seem to be almost
> impossible to come up with a reference point useful to more than just a
> few people.
I don't agree, anywhere in this universe , even if cultures are different ,
the nature of destruction and survival are the same .
. Although
> role models may help people along their ecopath, it may not be sufficient
> to help people see their true values as opposed to their stated values.
Values are a personal viewpoint or code , and I don't see how they
have much to do with ethics if you accept the idea of ethics as
optimum survival, or the greatest good for the greatest number.
>
> ethics. I feel there is a lack of well understood useful tools in this
> field.
Can't the tool be statics? Are your stats on working towards the
survival of people and things going up or going down? Are we
helping or hurting and are we effective at it or just spinning our
wheels?
>
> Again, I would really like to hear from others reading this about what
> things, ideas, events, people, actions, etc. have helped you move toward
> your own ecopath. Maybe we can all learn something by seeing the types of
> things that help encourage a more sustainable choice of lifestyle and
> thinking.
For me the people would be L. Ron Hubbard (who created
Scientology), Danial Quinn (who wrote a number of books relating
to ecopath , starting with Ishmael (spelling?), Wayne Dyer (who
wrote You'll See it When You Believe It", and a number of other
people, particularly a friend by the name of Susan Beck.
Stuart
