Eric wrote:
  Or perhaps, less pessimistically, we can learn to think on
  larger scales and in higher degrees of complexity, allowing
  us to adopt new behaviors that return us to a harmonious
  state within Nature.

Yes, that is what seems to be missing in todays world.  We
are trapped in some very narrow mindsets (possibly human
nature) and can't get out.

Some other conclusions:

 1. Just because fixing individual problems is not working
    does not prove it is a useless idea.  We may need
    to do it a little differently.

 2. Researching human history and behavior may not lead
    to a solution.  We may conclude a new way to 
    behave (cultural change) is needed.  This leads to
    the question: how?

 3. Going off into philosophy and definitions may not
    be the best approach either.  If we are looking for
    new ways to view the world then this may be something
    we create (culture).  Can you define culture with
    philosophy and definitions or do you build it?  In
    most cases we know what needs to be done, the struggle
    is with special interests within the culture.  This
    leads into cultural activism.

Question:
  What points in human activity is it possible to introduce
  new ideas (solutions).  Politics?,  Education?, Religion?, 
  Trusts and Non Profits, Unions, Mass Media?, Individuals?

If you want endless debate and little action then try
organizations tied to the dominant culture.  By definition a
culture only acts to preserve itself.  If the problem is
built into the culture it will resist changing itself to
fix the problem.

Solution:
Due to feelings of mercy and kindness i'll spare everyone 
a discussion of individual action, internet community,
paths, processes, local community, small systems, and
all those other things <grin>.

The ecopath view might be something like this:
 If we do nothing will things get worse?
 Can we as individuals see things to do?
 If we make individual acts and choices will it help?
 Should we try to pressure others to do it our way?
 Do we see clearer as we approach a goal?

 My answers to these questions say:  Just do it.
 I find "doing it" fun and i can't think of anything
 better to do.

jeff

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