The topic of permaculture is being forwarded to the permaculture
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to a comment which appeared there.

Claude wrote:
>Are there others out there who are getting dirty in the backyard and making
>valuable mistakes with their plantings and crops ?!
>Or is this forum to be reseved for the philosophers ?!

Hi Claude, Like you i enjoy the application of Pc more than the
philosophy and hope to get into specifics of the things you
mentioned.  At present i'm very interested in greenhouses and
the topic of growing one's food is an obscession <grin>.

That said, i need to make one point about philosophy.  For me Pc
is a way of thinking and isn't greenhouses or gardens or any
of the physical representations of ones design.  If we focus totally
on the results of design i think we will not be talking about Pc.
I guess the question i'm raising is:  Can Pc be represented by the
results of a design or is the act of designing what we want to
focus on?

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>Hi Jeff,
>
>In response to getting a new thread going - Thanks for the idea of working
>through the chapters within this forum -
>
>I'm really hoping for some good 'ol dirt-under-the-nails type stuff from
>this group.
>
>E.G. There was recently a post in which the author describes someone's Pc
>house and yard - I got more inspiration from that simple description.... How
>I'd love to hear how other places are set-up and how they're operating.
>
>-  how people have fared putting their greenhouses next to their houses and
>adding chickens to the mix ?
>
>- How long can a chicken tractor till a 1/4 acre yard before too much poop
>builds up?
>
>- Ain't it HARD to bring in them veggies reliably and abundantly enough to
>call yourself self-suffcient !?! ( LEt alone "permanent" !)
>
>AY-Ya-YAi !!
>
>The practical nuts and bolts of beginning a design.
>
>If we build it, they will come.
>
>If we design our places right, we can give our culture a PLACE to establish
>itself in a permanently edyfying way.
>
>How do other single families implement designs - Is it working? How have the
>design strategies begun to exert THEIR influence on the dynamics of the
>family ?
>
>
>I keep reading how PC's a way of seeing the landscape and "knowing" what to
>do....
>Well, I surely would appreciate help on aquiring that ability.
>
>Some of the talk  in this group is too damn high-Fallutin' for a college
>graduate, computer-literate, urban-refugee like me ;-) !!
>
>Are there others out there who are getting dirty in the backyard and making
>valuable mistakes with their plantings and crops ?!
>
>Or is this forum to be reseved for the philosophers ?!
>
>Claude in Vermont.

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