kathryn marsh wrote:
> 
> Personally, having kept goats and being extremely fond of them I would
> never include them in a permaculture system. I have never found a way of
> controlling all the goats all the time and their favourite food is fruit
> trees of every kind and condition. So we no longer have goats. 

Are the only detractions then containment and the possibility of fruit
eating?  I'd think that they may be a good way to get rid of drops other
than composting.  It isn't that I'm sold on goats, but with no real
knowledge of them, consider them possibly less labor intensive.  

> I think a
> few chickens and ducks are worth their weight in gold as pest controls in a
> permaculture set up. 

I'd like to think of them as an option but my experience with ducks and
geese have me recoiling at the thought of all the manure... EVERYWHERE. 
I realize it can be a good thing but I'd rather have a little more
control over distribution <grin>.  How about fowl other than these? 
Guinea, coturnix quail, peacocks (I ask the last one because I once knew
someone who kept them and he said they were the easiest way to teach
cats humility).  

> Actually I would be very careful of pigs in a permaculture setup as well -
> they dig

I wouldn't have any use for pigs.  I'm looking for animals that could be
useful without having to eat them or sell them for meat.

Anyone keep llamas?  alpacas?  similar?
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