On 27 Jan 00, at 23:23, Paul S. Hetrick wrote:

> 
> Ok, I'll reply to replies to this post on the list (unless told to do 
> otherwise) but it is probably time to take this topic off of the list 
> and get back to farms and barley and such.

I have, so far, been interested in this discussion. It can be very 
difficult to sort through the hype on both sides of the environmental 
divide. Knowing who to trust, and where trust is not possible, 
knowing the bias various advocates are coming from is important, 
and this discussion has high lighted where some of the many 
advocates are coming from.

Please hear my most tactful, pleasant and attempting to be 
inoffensive voice in the following. I don't farm, or even homestead in 
the traditional sense of homesteading. While I'm interested in farm, 
land and homesteading discussions they don't directly relate to my 
life, or many of my issues around living sustainably. While I have 
dreamt of homesteading, at this point in my life, I don't know if I ever 
want to follow that dream, and if I do, I know it will not be financially 
possible for the next ten to twenty years.

I am, and always have been, and always will be very interested in 
urban sustainabilty. I understand many rural homesteaders see the 
phrase "urban sustainability" as a contradicition in terms, but I don't. 
The realities of urban life often lead down a very different eco and 
sustainability path than the realities of rural life.

Way back near the start of this list, I publicly expressed my 
reluctance to speak openly about the practicalities of my life as 
someone striving for sustainability in an urban setting. I've had to 
make compromises I'm not always happy about and did not want to 
draw criticism for those compromises. I also have experienced the 
contempt of rural dwellers for urban life on other internet lists. I think 
there is much both urban and rural dwellers can learn from each 
other with respectful listening and discussion, but rarely see that 
respect on either side of the urban rural divide.

This is not a comment about anyone in particular on the list, just an 
observation that there can be a breakdown in respectful discussion 
when urban and rural dwellers get together in the same 
cyberspace. If anyone else on the list is interested in urban 
sustainability, bringing cities near to self sufficiency in food 
production, and energy production and consumption, especially the 
practicalities of doing this, I'd be as interested in such discussions 
as I am in hearing about people's farms, and way more interested 
than I am in philosophical discussion.

sph




Sandra P. Hoffman
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