Tom,
Welcome to the saturday work schedule.
I don't have any numbers for the VAN's you mentioned in
your initial request, but you might be interested in
knowing about MCI's EDI*Net VAN service. These charges
are the same whether you connect direcly or via the
internet:
1. Minimum asynch Mailbox charge per month = $25.00
2. Send or Recieve 1K: Peak (5 AM - 9 PM) = $0.30
Off-Peak = $0.20
3. Volume discount per month: $ 501 - 5,000 15%
5,001 - 10,000 30%
10,001 - 25,000 45%
25,001 - 50,000 60%
50,000 + 70%
4. Minimum total monthly charge of $100 per account.
5. There are NO charges for:
Installation and Start-up
Dailup or Internet access
Public network gateway setup or usage
Trading Partner Setup
Envelope-only translation
Data restoration
Document storage
Network support
Status requests
Number of sessions record
Detailed billing reports
These "other" charges can really add up!
MCI does NOT, however, offer trading partner software.
They have a list of 3rd party software packages that
work with their system.
They currently support XMODEM, YMODEM and ZMODEM dial-up
connectivity and ftp internet connectivity. They are
working on a secure ftp service, but it's not there yet,
and may end up being the most expensive alternative
after considering the cost of issuing private and public
encryption keys and running your traffic thru a secure
server.
Let me know if any of this interests you.
Dave Taylor
310-544-1974
> Thank you to everyone that responded. I've run some numbers and want to
> make sure that I'm not off base here. (I'm getting the sense that VAN
> charges are rediculously high.)
>
> In our situation we are acting as a broker linking buyers and suppliers in a
> B2B exchange. Order comes in to us via the web and then we create sub
> orders from that order and send those subs to the respective supplier
> electronically. We are asking for order acks back, ASNs, shipment status
> messages and delivery confirmations. We are also looking to have electronic
> invoicing and payment transactions.
>
> This having been said, assuming that I have 2 Mfgs in my exchange only, an
> order from one of my users result in 2 orders to suppliers. That's a total
> of 7 or 8 docs per Mfg (order, order ack, asn, status (assume 1), delivery
> conf, invoice, payment) and 14 - 16 total for the user's original single
> order. Assuming 1K of data per transaction I'm looking at 14000 - 16000
> characters that would need to be sent and received to complete my user's
> order.
>
> If I have any success in my exchange my monthly VAN charges could easily be
> above 1M. Does this seem out of line with what others are paying. Keep in
> mind that my situation is a bit different b/c I am brokering so many
> differnt orders.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>
> If I am dealing with processing Order, Order Ack, ASN, Ship Status, Delivery
> Conf, Invoice and Payment documents and paying for both sending and
> receiving of data under this scenario a monthly VAN bill of 100K is not
> unrealisitcs
>
> On Sat, 10 Jun 2000 13:21:30 +0100, Chris Johnson wrote:
>
> > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tom
> > Karcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
> > >Could anyone in the group give me a sense for van charges from:
> > >
> > >IBM, Sterling and GEIS?
> > >
> > >Do they all charge by the kilocharacter? What are the mailbox charges
> > >monthly?
> > >
> > >What's the average cost of sending a single PO and PO Ack - assume
> single
> > >ship to and ship from 100 line items in a sinle ISA.
> >
> > I can only speak from experience of the situation in the UK, which is
> > probably not what you want, but may nevertheless be of interest for some
> > list members for purposes of comparison.
> >
> > There are five VANs which are commonly used in the UK. Tradanet (an
> > implementation of the EDI Switch technology which is now wholly owned by
> > Geis), BT EDI Net (based on McDonnell (spelling?) technology), IBM IE,
> > AT&T EasyLink (which has a strong X400 flavour), and Geis EDI Express
> > (about which I know very little!).
> >
> > Discussing costs is complicated by the fact that there are banding
> > arrangements; you buy a mailbox for an annual fee which includes a
> > certain amount of free traffic. Additional traffic is then charged at a
> > rate which depends on the band you bought into. The costing can be
> > complex; with charges based on kilo characters, number of envelopes, and
> > number of files. There may also be mailbox storage charges.
> >
> > A further complication is added by the fact that you need not buy
> > directly from the VAN, but through a re-seller who will have made his
> > own deal with the VAN, and thus will have his own scale of mailbox
> > charges, banding, and traffic charges.
> >
> > For a user who has about 1 Mb of traffic per month the VANs are roughly
> > similar, with a cost equivalent to about 15 cents per kilobyte. In view
> > of what I said earlier this is very much a ballpark figure.
> >
> > If you are a higher volume user, say about 3 Mb/month traffic, then IBM
> > IE tends to win out with an effective cost of about 5 cents per
> > kilobyte. If you are a very low volume user (less than 50 kb/month) then
> > BT EDI Net costs about 30 cents per kilobyte. For the same volume IBM IE
> > would cost about eight times as much! A very high volume user would
> > negotiate his own deal with the VAN.
> >
> > If cost were the only consideration then BT EDI Net wins out for the
> > small user, and IBM IE tends to be the best bet for the rest. If
> > functionality is an issue then my estimation (based on writing network
> > interfaces) is that IBM IE is the most complex and BT EDI Net the
> > simplest. Unfortunately I have never been able to decide if rich
> > functionality is a good or a bad thing!
> >
> > In the UK choice of VAN tends to be made on the basis of the branch you
> > are in, rather than cost considerations. Tradanet is very strong in
> > Retail, for example. The exception is probably BT EDI Net, which has a
> > cross-branch appeal for the very small user because of its low cost for
> > this group.
> >
> > Please bear in mind that all the above is grossly over-simplified, and
> > is my personal opinion. If XYZ VAN responds to show that they are
> > cheapest / best then I will gratefully steer clients to them.
> >
> > Regards
> > Chris
> >
> > --
> > Chris Johnson tel: +44 (0)20 8 501 1490 (home)
> > EDIMatrix Ltd +44 (0)20 8 559 2454 (work)
> > +44 (0)20 8 559 2497 (fax)
> > http://www.edimatrix.demon.co.uk
>
>
>
>
>
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