Jim
Not embedded below.....
So let me understand this. In order for a trading partner of a UCC member using UCCNet to hold the GLN information they must pay a minimum of $1,500 for the privilege of downloading the information that is currently included in the EDI data today. In addition, they need to implement a database to hold the data, develop programs that will update the database on a regular basis using the 816 data, and do this all in XML. Sounds like a bargain today since none of the freight is being delivered to the correct locations using the unreliable method of including the ship-from and ship-to address in the data stream.
I assume that CPG stands for Consumer Products ?. Yes, I agree that data synchronization is important. But if the sender does not have it correct in the original document having a big database won't help. Although I suspect that the vast majority of problems with invoices in the retail sector are not due to shipment going to the incorrect locations.
I didn't say that the DUNS+4 and the GLN were the same. Only that they contain the same number of digits. If they contain the same number of digits there is a potential (I think a good one) that there will be duplicates, a DUNS+4 being the same as a GLN. So if you are implementing a system that has to utilize both you have to add qualifiers to your database structure.
I am not against the GLN. Sounds like a good idea, but really is no different than a proprietary numbering system (or DUNS+4). I am concerned that small companies will be forced to pay a minimum of $1,500 for the opportunity to participate.
Jim, one quick question. One of the problems with any location numbering system is the assignment of multiple numbers for the same location. Let me give you an example. If a single company produces product for multiple grocery chains using UPC assigned by the grocery chain, will the same loading dock have multiple GLN's depending on the product destination?
Dwight
>From: James Sykes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: Location Systems ( was Walmart shipping information) >Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 09:07:30 -0400 > >Responses embedded within original note below > > > -----Original Message----- >From: Electronic Data Interchange Issues [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >On Behalf Of Dwight Andrews >Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 11:28 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: Location Systems ( was Walmart shipping information) > >Jim >But how much will it cost a user to be forced to go to UCCNet to retrieve >the GLN plus address information? I am sure that the UCC does not have >plans to make the 816's available to anyone for free. >[James D. Sykes II] - There is a subscription fee for all subscribers. This >fee is based on our cost recovery model. UCCnet is a neutral not for profit >organization. The fee is based on revenue of the subscriber. The lowest >tier is $1,500 / year for organizations up to 100 Million. The method of >data exchange is XML. This includes GTIN and GLN registry as well as the >trading partner capabilities registry. > >And how often does one have to go out to get the data? Then instead of >having to keep one database current (the senders) you have to maintain a >minimum of 4 databases and keep them in sync all of the time, the sender, >the repository, the transportation carrier, and the receiver. And everyone >has to keep their databases current and has to keep checking with either the >sender or the repository to see if any changes have been made. >All this to save sending some data from the owner of the data? >[James D. Sykes II] The key is data synchronization, which has not been >achieved in the CPG industry to any great extent. UCCnet serves as the >trusted authority for base item data and its distributed architecture links >to the source of other item data. When one considers the time and resources >needed to resolve invoice and shipping discrepancies arising from item data >in the trading partners systems (both within and outside the enterprise) the >cost savings can approach 30%. We have the numbers to prove that. The >synchronization occurs via UCCnet's publication / subscription mechanism. > >Now this would not be too bad if it weren't for the fact that every industry >has its own "GLN". So if you cross industries, like transportation, you >have to maintain multiple files with multiple location codes. And the same >location can have multiple codes assigned to it. >[James D. Sykes II] While not all industries utilize the GLN, the 23 >industries that UCC serve do, or are planning to use. UCCnet is not out to >change the world; just 23 industries. Eventually users in cross industries >may demand interoperability. When that occurs UCCnet will work with others >in any industry to solve the problem. > >And, by the way, how many digits in the GLN? The same as a DUNS+4? >[James D. Sykes II] The GLN is 13 digits managed in a similar manner as the >GTIN; it is not the same structure as the DUN+4. > >To learn more about the system attend one of our orientation sessions, which >are open to anyone. The schedule can be found at http://www.uccnet.org. In >addition there are several articles referenced under NEWS which will provide >additional perspectives. > >Dwight > > >From: James Sykes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: Location Systems ( was Walmart shipping information) > >Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 18:04:42 -0400 > > > >Bill, > > It is not a universal truth that the GLN cost something. While it is > >recognized that some EAN Member Organizations (MOs) do charge for a GLN, > >within the US if an organization already has a manufacture's prefix for > >assigning U.P.C.s then that same prefix can be used for the assignment of > >GLNs. There is no collision with the U.P.C.'s because there is always a > >different qualifier for GLN. In addition most retailers within the US > >already have a company prefix for private label items. > > > >Although there are no hard and fast rules for the methodology employed to > >create the GLN, an organization with a company prefix can simple use their > >existing internal number coupled with the company prefix to create the GLN. > >With that a large company can create up to 10,0000 location codes. Lease > >note there is an assumption that the internal number is completely numeric, > >since the GLN is numeric. > > > >Within UCCnet we are looking at the location codes for physical locations, > >stores, warehouses, docks, etc. These GLNs are registered in the > >GLOBALregistry(tm) along with their relationship with each other. This can > >also be sent via a X12 816 like some retailers are doing today. > > > >Within the global registry system these GLNs can be published to trade > >partners through the UCCnet publication / subscription mechanism in a > >similar fashion as the GTIN (Global Trade Identification Number). > > > >You can find out more at http://www.uccnet.org > > > >We are in the process of defining the interoperability of the various > >country catalogues within the EAN�UCC system. We have commitments from > >Canada, Germany, Mexico, Australia, and Switzerland at this time and are > >working with service providers of several other country catalogues which > >will be announced soon. This will create a global system of registry > >services and data synchronization, which is the keystone of all > >collaborative commerce. We are also working with various exchanges and > >user > >organizations such as VICS and the Global Commerce Initiative (GCI). > > > >All of this is public knowledge and readily available. > > > >Best Regards, > > > >James D. Sykes II > >Product Management > >UCCnet(r), Inc. > >1009 Lenox Dr, Suite 115 > >Lawrenceville, NJ, 08648 > > > >E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Tel: 01.609.620.4653 > >Cell: 01.510.502.3333 > > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Electronic Data Interchange Issues [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >On Behalf Of William J. Kammerer > >Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 6:46 PM > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: Location Systems ( was Walmart shipping information) > > > >Paul Wakelam, of Robert Bosch (Australia) Pty. Ltd., wrote in with his > >"top 10 reasons for being on the EDI list," which included me in the No. > >1 spot. I am flattered, indeed. I hope that somehow translates into > >people buying my stuff, like EDISIM and TradeSite. While we're on the > >subject of Paul's list, just who is this "Daisy Faropoll"? I love the > >name, but I don't recall her ever writing in. > > > >Paul's EC question for the day is "Which location system is winning in > >the United States of America? Is it GLN...or DUNS? What are the > >perceived advantages and disadvantages?" > > > >Dear Paul: > > > >The hands-down winner in the U.S.A. is Dun & Bradstreet's Data Universal > >Numbering System (D-U-N-S), described at > >http://www.dnb.com/dunsno/dunsno.htm. Its advantage is that it's > >*free* - as a matter of fact, you actually have to work to avoid getting > >one of their numbers, as Dun & Bradstreet makes it their business to > >mind everyone else' business: practically every business in the U.S. > >has one, whether they want it or not. A DUNS+4 is simply a self > >assigned location number, where the first 9 digits is your D-U-N-S and > >the last 4 are whatever digits *you* want to assign to an internal > >location. You can look up a D-U-N-S by selecting "Get your own D&B > >D-U-N-S Number-free!" at the D & B website; alternatively, you can > >search on Lycos' Companies Online at http://www.companiesonline.com. > > > >The UCC/EAN Global Location Number (GLN) is described in a FAQ in the > >UCC Reference Library at http://www.uc-council.org/ - select "ID Numbers > >and Bar Codes," then "Reference Library." U.S. company lookups will > >someday be available at UCCNet; in the meantime, you can verify GLNs > >assigned in some European countries using the Global EAN Party > >Information Register at http://www.gepir.org/. > > > >The main disadvantage of the UCC/EAN GLN vis-�-vis the D-U-N-S is that > >the GLN costs money - you have to seek out the UCC and apply for > >membership, paying for the privilege of getting a number. Even U.S. > >retailers and grocery store chains who are members of UCC/EAN tend to > >prefer DUNS+4 over GLNs for identifying internal locations; or did: Bill > >O'Brien told us on Friday that Wal-Mart is switching from DUNS+4 to the > >GLN. But if it means anything, the only means of identifying parties > >within RosettaNet is the D-U-N-S (even though UCC/EAN GTINs are used to > >identify products). > > > >William J. 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