Art, While the NTE segment is technically included in the industry guidelines for the 811, there is also a strong recommendation against its use. Typically, there are specific uses for human-readable text associated with a bill - OC&C descriptions, regulatory messages, etc. The 864 guidelines include an industry-standard set of codes to describe the text being attached to the bill. So, you are nominally correct but there are good reasons to use the 864 for all but the simplest (and nonstandard) of text messages. This scenario is very much a known entity in telecom billing and is documented on an industry and carrier basis.
Mickey Dossey EDI Manager Neustar -------Original Message------- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 01/19/05 13:34:46 To: [email protected]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [EDI-L] Help needed: 811-864 Transaction set If all you need is more than 80 bytes for your text, the approach can be as simple as using up to 100 NTE segments back to back. That way you can avoid the 864 altogether. Art Douglas Manager, eCommerce Systems PaperPak San Dimas, CA 909-971-5025 -----Original Message----- From: Mickey Dossey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 4:39 AM To: EDI-L Mailing List Subject: Re: [EDI-L] Help needed: 811-864 Transaction set I assume this is a telecom implementation, since the industry does have a convention of using the 811 and 864 together to render a complete electronic bill. The guidelines are, as William stated, maintained by the ETB Committee. The link is old, since TCIF no longer exists as a forum - it was incorporated into OBF (Ordering and Billing Forum) over a year ago. The link to the ETB Committee home page is: http://www.atis.org/obf/etb_home.asp The 811/864 is used more often by larger carriers who service larger business clients, so if you are working on a project for a carrier of this type, you should have access to these specifications. Mickey Dossey EDI Manager Neustar -------Original Message------- From: William J. Kammerer Date: 01/19/05 07:11:58 To: EDI-L Mailing List Subject: Re: [EDI-L] Help needed: 811-864 Transaction set Usually REF segments would be used to "tie" the two transaction sets together; or else their association could be inferred from being placed in the same interchange (ISA-IEA). Your industry may have guidelines on the proper usage of the 811 and possibly 864. The 811 is popular in telecommunications, as well attested by David Frenkel, a popular personality here on EDI-L. Where's Dave when you need him? He would point you to the EDI Telecommunications Billing (ETB) guidelines at http://www.atis.org/atis/tcif/etb/aboutetb.htm. William J. Kammerer Novannet, LLC. Columbus, OH 43221-3859 . USA +1 (614) 487-0320 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sasi Mr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, 18 January, 2005 05:54 PM Subject: [EDI-L] Help needed: 811-864 Transaction set Hi, I am currently working in creating EDI 811 Transaction set. We have a constrain of providing text message not more than 80 bytes. But we noticed that we can do it by 864 Transaction sets. Is there any way to incorporate 811 Transaction set data with the 864 data? Any help will be appreciated. Thanks, Sasikumar. .. Please use the following Message Identifiers as your subject prefix: <SALES> <JOBS>, <LIST>, <TECH>, <MISC>, <EVENT>, <OFF-TOPIC> Access the list online at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EDI-L Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EDI-L/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] . Please use the following Message Identifiers as your subject prefix: <SALES>, <JOBS>, <LIST>, <TECH>, <MISC>, <EVENT>, <OFF-TOPIC> Access the list online at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EDI-L Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EDI-L/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
