On Feb 2, 2005, at 08:30, Ron Katz wrote:
> I have discovered from the link below that the WESTIM is an EDIFACT > transaction specific for the Container Industry. The message > translates > Detail of Damage and Repair to Owner/Lessee. > > It appears to be created by ISO (International Standards Organization) > I am assuming ISO standards must be some form of EDIFACT subset even > though it is not listed in the EDIFACT standards. Ron, You are correct that the messages (WESTIM as well as GATEIN and GATEOUT) are work of the ISO TC104 committee. However they are not what one would call EDIFACT subsets, but true EDIFACT messages based on the EDIFACT syntax developed by the UNECE and now maintained by the Joint Syntax Group of UNECE (WP.4/GE.1 now CEFACT) and ISO TC154 and known as ISO 9735 - Electronic data interchange for administration, commerce and transport (EDIFACT) - Application level syntax rules (first edition 1988, amended 1990). After the syntax was created by the UNECE (and fasttracked by TC154 to become an ISO International Standard) work was started within the UNECE to develop on the global level EDIFACT messages. However a number of industries also began to developed shortly after 1988 EDIFACT messages based on ISO 9735. This caused confusion in the market place since since WP.4 (UNECE) was consider (and consider itself as well as) the EDIFACT gate keeper. The UNECE realized that it had not protect the use of its "EDIFACT" brand name and therefore added "UN" in front of EDIFACT (as in UN/EDIFACT) to identify what most users these days call EDIFACT messages. Further, WP.4 reached out to those industries that had created its own flavor of EDIFACT messages to move the work under the UNECE. Most industries complied, including TC104 members who agreed to join the work within WP.4/GE.1 as is evidence in the UN/EDIFACT container messages available today: COARRI Container discharge/loading report message CODECO Container gate-in/gate-out report message COHAOR Container special handling order message COPARN Container announcement message COPINO Container pre-notification message COPRAR Container discharge/loading order message COREOR Container release order message COSTCO Container stuffing/stripping confirmation message COSTOR Container stuffing/stripping order message DESTIM Equipment damage and repair estimate message However, many users of the older TC104 EDIFACT messages decided to continue to use them instead of migrating to the newer versions now part of the UN/EDIFACT message set. This is also true for other industry that developed EDIFACT messages which now have UN/EDIFACT versions. As the saying goes, if it is not broken why fix it. The WESTIM message equivalent in UN/EDIFACT would be the DESTIM - Equipment damage and repair estimate message which is defined as: "A message for use by the container repair, shipping and leasing industry. It may be used by a container equipment repair depot to send an owner or user a description of damages to the equipment, as an estimate of the repair actions and costs needed to rectify such damages. A recipient owner may forward the estimate to a lessee. The message may also be used by an owner or lessee as an authorization message to the repair depot to perform the repairs indicated in the estimate, and as an acknowledgment of his willingness to pay for those repairs indicated in the estimate for his account." The other two TC104 EDIFACT messages, GATEIN and GATEOUT, have its UN/EDIFACT equivalent in CODECO the "Container gate-in/gate-out report" message. Hope this clarifies some the questions and background behind the TC104 container messages in use today. -Klaus . Please use the following Message Identifiers as your subject prefix: <SALES>, <JOBS>, <LIST>, <TECH>, <MISC>, <EVENT>, <OFF-TOPIC> Access the list online at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EDI-L Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EDI-L/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
