Um, I'm not sure what your point is there.  If you use those characters you 
*are* adhering to the standards.  X12.6 (section 3.3.2 Extended Character Set) 
mentions a list of "select language characters" which includes all the samples 
sent in Mr. Kammerer's note.

With respect to the discussion of EBCDIC<->ASCII translations, one of the 
biggest things to keep in mind (and I suspect is frequently ignored/forgotten) 
is the concept of code pages.  There isn't a single one-for-one transformation 
in either direction between EBCDIC and ASCII.  It depends on the code pages 
that are used.  Seems to me that ISO 8859 has somewhere around 15 flavors that 
are based on national language groups.

If anyone's wondering about the code page concept, the best way I can think to 
summarize it is:  a mapping of character pictures (such as letters and numbers 
and symbols) to bit patterns.  Although many characters are common among all 
the code pages (0-9, A-Z, a-z), not all are the same and not all even share 
common bit patterns across the spectrum.

Frankly, I would think it better if the data could be transmitted un-converted 
from originator to receiver so that only two parties need to agree on character 
sets and code pages.  Unfortunately, that's not the way most do it.

I've never seen a completely comprehensive display of code pages on the web, 
but IBM has one that's pretty good if you take a look here:  
http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/iseries/software/globalization/codepages.html.
  Unfortunately, the listings aren't consistent with respect to their 
relationship to EBCDIC and ASCII.

Best regards,
Bill Chessman
Inovis(tm)

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Mehlhorn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 11:46 AM
To: EDI-L Listserv
Subject: RE: [EDI-L] Non-ASCII characters


William,

        If you don't adhere to the specified standards, are they really 
standards?

-----Original Message-----
From: William J. Kammerer

You mean you'd tell Nestl� and Banco de M�xico or Hydro-Qu�bec or
Petr�leos de Venezuela or Rh�ne-Poulenc or Peugeot Citro�n to take their
business elsewhere just because you can't handle a few diacritics?  If
free e-mail can handle ordinary Latin characters, why not expensive
half-million dollar EDI systems?

William J. Kammerer
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Mehlhorn"


This is one issue I've fought within the Electric Supply industry. One
problem was when IBM AS400 machines would translate from EBCDIC to
ASCII, some characters would not translate to anything usable. Some TPs
insisted on using nonprintable characters within their defined as
alphanumeric data fields.

I can't recall how many times I've sent out the X12 12.6 table to new
TPs, but they do listen when you tell them you can't do business if they
keep using the barred characters.

Dan Mehlhorn
Crescent Electric Supply Co.



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