All good points here. Like it or not, businesses are in business to make a profit, actually to maximize profit (macro econ 101). I hate the "G" word. Without the so called "greedy" businessmen (of which I am part of), there would be NO jobs in this country and no one left to carry the tax burden. I don't like it that anyone has lost their job, I think it stinks, but is the force of the market at work. I am a firm believer that anyone in this country can become rich if they take the burden upon themselves. Rely on an employer or the government for ANYTHING (except defending our boarders) and you get what you deserve. I am not trying to sound harsh here, but without all the greedy businesses, you would not have a job. cjg
Carl J. Galgano EDI Consulting Services, Inc. 770-422-2995 www.ediconsulting.com 600 Kennesaw Avenue Suite 400 Marietta, GA 30060 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Meyers, John Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:08 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [EDI-L] <OFF-TOPIC> Outsourcing = GREED I feel for your situation, but, there are many other reasons for outsourcing: Many times it gives the employer much needed expertise not available in-house. It can allow them to concentrate on their core competencies instead of non-value-added activities. Increased flexibility. More workers when needed for a large project and then a minimum number for day to day activities. Greater access to a much larger skill set. Someone better qualified can interview, hire and manage staff. There are others, but to label it all as GREED is misguided. Occasionally, without the cost saving provided, a business would fail. This would cause many more jobs to be lost. At larger businesses, it is also possible for some employees to be hired by the outsourcer. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Harold DeWayne Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 11:08 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [EDI-L] <OFF-TOPIC> Outsourcing = GREED Outsourcing is a result of GREED, pure and simple, sometimes even our own. The companies that are outsourcing and/or downsizing are doing so to (and these are in no particular order): 1) (investor greed) cut their costs so their investors can make more money 2) (management greed) cut their costs so their remaining employees (e.g. management), can make more money 3) (consumer greed) cut their costs so their product will sell better And sometimes: 4) (employee greed) employees expecting more money (e.g. raises) every year so they can buy more STUFF themselves and the company is not willing to pay more, so the company finds a lower cost alternative No matter how you look at it, the primary cause of outsourcing is GREED. I can understand that employers need to keep control of prices, however there are times when outside forces (inflation, also a result of the four kinds of greed above) force the cost of quality employees to go up and as such the employees DESERVE a higher wage ... to an extent. I lost a job to these forces, and as I've seen discussed lately, I agree this is not likely to change, although I'd like to see management absorb some of those costs themselves instead of leaving their employees unemployed. Before I get FLAMED, I know there are some companies where that has happened, but not enough. Companies as a genre care nothing about the employees anymore, and yet they wonder why good employees have no loyalty and jump ship at the offer of better pay elsewhere? There's not a thing wrong with working a part-time job (if you can find it) while trying to find a decent job... however that "part-time job (or two)" is harder to find than it appears and is more than some people are ABLE to do. I was unemployed for 6 months and took a job making LESS than what I was receiving from unemployment just to get off the unemployment rolls (and less than 1/4th of what I had been making in my programming/EDI job) and then ended up working 60+ hours per week JUST TO PAY MY HOUSE NOTE... that paid NOTHING toward "food on the table"... I had to withdraw my retirement package from my last employer so we could pay for food and utilities. Some people physically could not put in that many hours. I thank God that he gave me the strength to do so. I'm still in that position 2 years later and my retirement package is GONE. Now where do I go? Harold DeWayne The opinions in this message are my own and are not related to those of my employer (such as it is) whatsoever. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- And pray what is so wrong with that? There is nothing to prevent one from continuing the search for a 'suitable' position whilst holding and honorably filling a part-time job. At least that part-time job (or two) can put a roof over your head and food on the table, which is a hell of a lot more than whining will do. MCM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.0/290 - Release Date: 3/23/2006 . Please use the following Message Identifiers as your subject prefix: <SALES>, <JOBS>, <LIST>, <TECH>, <MISC>, <EVENT>, <OFF-TOPIC> Access the list online at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EDI-L Yahoo! Groups Links . Please use the following Message Identifiers as your subject prefix: <SALES>, <JOBS>, <LIST>, <TECH>, <MISC>, <EVENT>, <OFF-TOPIC> Access the list online at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EDI-L Yahoo! Groups Links . 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