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Based on the crickets I hear chirping, I would say not too many have done it. Pity too; it would be a more stable deployment of the technology. J Mike Mike Kelly, President & EC/EDI Consultant Global Data Integrators, Inc. Marietta, GA ph: 770-919-9933 fax: 770-919-0580 Visit my BLOG at http://www.theITentrepreneur.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.GlobalDataIntegrators.com http://www.gotEDI.com From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lowell Porter Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 5:24 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [EDI-L] Sterling GIS Has anyone used GIS on an as400/iseries? How much of a resource hog is it? Lowell -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <mailto:EDI-L%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:EDI-L%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Mario Zambrano Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 3:32 PM To: Steven Santillo; [email protected] <mailto:EDI-L%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [EDI-L] Sterling GIS I don't know if you can say I'm defending it. I'm only stating what we've done. Let me just say this: We tried Webmethods 6.0, and it was a massive failure with our amount of EDI, so we only left webmethods for our EAI solution. Limited though since we never really got of the ground with out pub/subscribe models. Then we looked at Axway: holy smokes! Talk about complicated. With Axway you have to learn almost all 14 of their solutions. And for EDI, good luck using Synchrony Integrator. Plus they had all kinds of different platforms. Some stuff was C based, some was their own propietary language something called MessageBuilder MB, and very little was Java. Not too mentioned the inmense amount work it took to coordinate all their products. Eventually though, their MFT solutions was ok. Then one architect in our team decided that we should move away from Webmethods, and brought in IBM Websphere. I'm not going to comment about this experience. We also have Tumbleweed doing some of our FTP Server stuff. Very nice little product, for only for FTP and HTTP comms with their client. And well, GIS when it comes to EDI is still the best product out there from all points of view. And about PGP not being turn key, I'm sorry to say, but you should try to get some training instead of trying to figure things out yourself. PGP in GIS is nothing but an Adapter to an external implementation of PGP by some very popular vendors, and several of those are Free PGP implementations. It takes about 1 hour to install, and about 30 minutes to setup. And once you have the keys for the exchange, you can be exchanging documents extremely quick. No programming, is mostly what I meant. Just remember what I said, if you have Gentran doing your EDI today, and it's working for you, don't fix what's not broken. The comment made about needing some insane amount of hardware to process things is GIS has some thruth to it. We do have insame amount of hardware, including our Oracle RAC instance and our cluster. But I have to say, from a functional perspective it has worked well. You have to pick your poison, Flexibility = Complexity = Long development cycle. or Ease of use = Functionality = Quicker implementation cycle. Anway; I hope this helped. ----- Original Message ---- From: Steven Santillo <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:n19667%40yahoo.com> > To: Mario Zambrano <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:aemzmrz%40yahoo.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 3:29:56 AM Subject: Re: [EDI-L] Sterling GIS You are the first person to defend GIS in a long time. My company is looking to replace Webmethods, Gentran Server, and Mercator with GIS but with all the negative stuff from this group regarding GIS I am starting to look at other solutions. More people using GIS need to defend it. --- Mario Zambrano <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:aemzmrz%40yahoo.com> > wrote: > Sorry, I sent the message before I was finished. > Please see the completed message below. > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Mario Zambrano <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:aemzmrz%40yahoo.com> > > To: [email protected] <mailto:EDI-L%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 8:19:21 PM > Subject: Re: [EDI-L] Sterling GIS > > > Hello, > I'm amazed by the incredible amount of > mis-information going on around GIS in this thread. > Here are the top Vendors for the complete > Integration Suite Solution. > Sterling Commerce > Axway > Webmethods (now Software AG) > IBM WebSphere > Tibco > Seeburger > All other are what we call niche players, since > they don't support all of the necessary technologies > to do integration as a whole. > Such vendors include - Tumbleweed, Cleo, NewBridges, > Inovis, Etc.. > We use GIS 4.2 and process millions of transactions > through it. I'm not sure if I can say the name of > the company I work for? > > Anyway; Here are is a quick list of things to know > about GIS. > > GIS is the new integration broker suite that > Sterling is heavely investing on. It's an SOA based > architecture (J2EE) of course that means Java > based. It's horizontally scalable, Database Centric > (Oracle, MSSQL, Mysql, DB2, Etc) > Since it's java, then it's multiplatform. So > Sterling doesn't have to continue to manage code > bases for all kinds of platforms. (MVS, Unix, > Windows,AS400, etc) > GIS 4.2 and now 4.3 integrates the Communication's > stack with the translation functions, all in one > process(Which business process). This is why it > beats the old technology Gentran:Server which was > essentially all kinds of scripts running one after > the other without managing system resources like > database pools, and cached objects. > GIS 4.2 is meant to be a more graphical friendly > approach to developement with their business process > development. > GIS 4.2 supports the following communications. > (EDIINT - AS/1/2/3,FTP/SSL Client services, SSH > Client Services, FTP/SSL Server, SSH Server, HTTP > Server, HTTP client service, Webdav, Connect:Direct > Adapter, , Web file upload inteface from the > internet, Etc....) > GIS also support Web Services, which would allow an > external trading partner to call a webservice to do > EDI translation, or anything else. > GIS Support certificate management, and also > external LDAP authentication support. > GIS Support PGP encryption almost turn key. > GIS 4.3 now support the creation of Fact Models > which allow you to create your own database schema > to capture EDI transactional information. > GIS is has a mailboxing system which allows you to > manage store and forward capabilities. > GIS has workflow capabilities with it's web > extensions, which allow you to have human > interaction for the approval or revision of > transactions. > GIS Support ERP shops with SAP, Oracle, Webmethods, > Tibco, Websphere, and other types of application > adapters. > There are so many other things that GIS is > supporting > GIS is not a replacement for Gentran:Server. > Gentran:Server was mostly a peer to peer translator. > All of G:Server's functions can be done by GIS. > > I saw someone asking why GIS costs 200k, and I > understand the question from an EDi person who's > only dealt with Gentran or other EDI translation > products. > But GIS is a full integration suite, which is why > Gartner ranks it high for B2B Gateway Solution. That > includes all things to do with Integration, not just > EDI. > For the most part these suites will all of it's > components will cost around $600k. > > I also saw someone mentioned the Gartner report that > people understood to be negative from Gartner > regarding GIS. > So, I guess is depends who you talk to. > That report was warning customer to thing before > they move to GIS, mostly because GIS was so much > more than Gentran:Server. And people were buying GIS > strictly for EDI. That I think is still a mistake, > because if a shop has Gentran:Server and it's > working fine, and their business requirements don't > demand much more than EDI processing you probably > should not migrate your EDI operation. > You could buy GIS stricly for communications, or > Managed File Transfer. > > Sterling will continue to support Gentran:Server for > the long term. > > However; if a new customer comes in asking for an > EDI solution, Sterling will probably not sell them > Gentran:Server but rather GIS. It doesn't take much > to see why. > > Anyway; I hope all this helps clarify things. > > GIS is far more than Gentran:Server. For those of > your that used Sterling products before here is > something that will help you understand. > > Old Technology: Gentran:Server Unix, Gentran:Server > Windows NT, Connect:Direct MVS,Unix,Windows, > Connect:Enterprise Unix, MVS, Gentran:Director, > Gentran XML Option for Server, Gentran:Server SAP > Extensions, Lifecycle Database, Etc. > > New Technology: GIS > > Regards, > aemzmrz > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:james%40jameshatcher.com> " > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:james%40jameshatcher.com> > > To: [email protected] <mailto:EDI-L%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2008 9:47:30 PM > Subject: RE: [EDI-L] Sterling GIS > > Sorry the attachment got stripped from the first > email. > > Publication Date: 26 June 2007 ID Number: G00149357 > > Think Twice About Migrating From Sterling Commerce's > > Gentran:Server to Gentran Integration Suite > > Benoit J. Lheureux > > > Here is the summary. The full report can be bought > from Gartner > > > Ever since Sterling Commerce released Gentran > Integration Suite (GIS), > many of the > company's Gentran:Server (GS) customers have > struggled to understand the > > relationship between these products, and whether GS > applications can or > should be > ported to GIS. Because the port sometimes requires > extensive development > work, GS > customers should understand their GS application > migration options; if > they choose to > port, then they must set proper expectations for the > effort required. > > Key Findings > . Sterling Commerce's explanation about the > relationship of GIS to GS > is, at best, > complicated. > . GIS isn't a direct, functional upgrade product for > GS. > . For many GS customers, there may be no good reason > to port their > electronic data > interchange (EDI) applications to GIS. > . When the GS-to-GIS porting effort is substantial, > it creates an > opportunity for > competitors to bid alternative products to GIS. > > Recommendations > . GS customers should carefully consider all options > prior to making a > GS-to-GIS > migration decision. > . GS customers that want to migrate their EDI > applications to the > current GIS release > should ask Sterling Commerce for a detailed "gap > analysis" of the > === message truncated === __________________________________________________________ ________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ... Please use the following Message Identifiers as your subject prefix: <SALES>, <JOBS>, <LIST>, <TECH>, <MISC>, <EVENT>, <OFF-TOPIC> Job postings are welcome, but for job postings or requests for work: <JOBS> IS REQUIRED in the subject line as a prefix. Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ... 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