My English is still not good enough, but to my understanding it seems my transformation format of the "data table" is still a infringement to the copyright holder unless I buy the license for that X12 'public' standard.
Jim On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 9:26 PM, Michael Mattias/LS <[email protected] > wrote: > >> If it's of the grammar, i.e. the metadata for the standard, you're > >> probably infringing on copyright since it would be a derivative work. > >> However, if I remember correctly you obtain certain rights by buying the > >> X12 table data (not cheap). Other types of rights come with buying hard > >> or soft copies of the published standards. Still other rights come from > >> being an ASC X12 member. I advise checking with DISA for specifics. DISA > >> has in the past few years gone after some of the more flagrant copyright > >> violators. > > > A longtime subject of interest to me... copyright restrictions on a > "public" standard. > > Copyright applies to ideas or concepts *as fixed in tangible media.* Once > the idea has been fixed in tangible media, the work is > eligible for copyright, and may be licensed. > > What uses are permitted are at the discretion of the licensor. As Mr. > Rawlins points out, permitted uses may vary by the type of > license granted. > > While I agree I should not be able to purchase a license for the "table > data" and simply re-sell or re-license that data with at > most minimal reformatting, I don't see a problem copying from a printed > work into my own format and generating my own format "table > data." Let's look at thecopyright notice in the X221 835 Remittance "pdf" > file (about five hundred bucks to download but that's > another story)... > > > "WPC © 2006 > Copyright for the members of ASC X12N by Washington Publishing Company. > Permission is hereby granted to any organization to copy and > distribute this material internally as long as this copyright. statement > is included, the contents are not changed, and the copies > are not sold." > > That suggests you cannot re-distribute the material "as is" outside your > own orgazination. But what if I use the material to create > data tables.. that is, a new form of being "fixed in tangible media?" And > claim my own copyright (with suitable credit) and either > sell or license my work? > > Suppose I want to create my own 'private' standard based on this and share > it with my trading partners as an 'agreed subset' we will > use to trade? > > The lack of clarity and the "mushiness" of the permitted uses is what > keeps lawyers employed... and also why they bill by the hour > and not by the task. > > Yes, "someone" SHOULD be compensated for their work developing a standard, > and for putting it into a usable format. But I can hardly > see where anyone gets the chutzpah to call something a "public standard" > if you have to "join the club" to use it. > > (No, I don't. If I had "the solution" I would no longer need to work for a > living) > > Michael C. Mattias > Tal Systems Inc. > Racine WI > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > ... > Please use the following Message Identifiers as your subject prefix: > <SALES>, <JOBS>, <LIST>, <TECH>, <MISC>, <EVENT>, <OFF-TOPIC> > > Job postings are welcome, but for job postings or requests for work: > <JOBS> IS REQUIRED in the subject line as a prefix.Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ ... Please use the following Message Identifiers as your subject prefix: <SALES>, <JOBS>, <LIST>, <TECH>, <MISC>, <EVENT>, <OFF-TOPIC> Job postings are welcome, but for job postings or requests for work: <JOBS> IS REQUIRED in the subject line as a prefix.Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EDI-L/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EDI-L/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
