On 18 January 2016 at 15:38, Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheu...@linaro.org> wrote:
> On 18 January 2016 at 16:28, Ryan Harkin <ryan.har...@linaro.org> wrote:
>> On 18 January 2016 at 15:11, Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheu...@linaro.org> 
>> wrote:
>>> On 18 January 2016 at 16:08, Ryan Harkin <ryan.har...@linaro.org> wrote:
>>>> On 18 January 2016 at 14:39, Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheu...@linaro.org> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> On 18 January 2016 at 15:29, Ryan Harkin <ryan.har...@linaro.org> wrote:
>>>>>> ARM Ltd Platform support is migrating to use OpenPlatformPkg [1].
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Currently, Juno and FVP exist both in EDK2's ArmPlatformPkg and in
>>>>>> OpenPlatformPkg.  And they are starting to diverge, with
>>>>>> OpenPlatformPkg being the most up-to-date with current developments.
>>>>>> To prevent this divergence, remove the .dsc and .fdf files from
>>>>>> ArmPlatformPkg and leave OpenPlatformPkg as the master.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We can't remove ArmJuno.dec yet because ACPI still uses it to set the
>>>>>> include path to ArmPlatform.h.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [PATCH 1/2] ArmPlatformPkg: remove ArmVExpress-FVP-AArch64
>>>>>> [PATCH 2/2] ArmPlatformPkg: remove ArmJuno.dsc/fdf
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  ArmPlatformPkg/ArmJunoPkg/ArmJuno.dsc                     | 291 
>>>>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>  ArmPlatformPkg/ArmJunoPkg/ArmJuno.fdf                     | 365 
>>>>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>  ArmPlatformPkg/ArmVExpressPkg/ArmVExpress-FVP-AArch64.dsc | 317 
>>>>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>  ArmPlatformPkg/ArmVExpressPkg/ArmVExpress-FVP-AArch64.fdf | 401 
>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1] https://git.linaro.org/uefi/OpenPlatformPkg.git
>>>>>
>>>>> Shouldn't we sync OpenPlatformPkg with the latest EDK2 versions first?
>>>>
>>>> Ooops.
>>>>
>>>> I wasn't aware of any changes in the EDK2 versions that we need to
>>>> carry over.  From what I can see, there are changes in OpenPlatformPkg
>>>> that are not in EDK2, but not the other way round, except this change:
>>>>
>>>> 660aaec  2015-12-15  ArmVExpressPkg/ArmVExpress-FVP-AArch64: run GICv3
>>>> in v3 mode       [Ard Biesheuvel]
>>>>
>>>> The ARM Landing Team (that'll be me!) ships GICv2 .dts files for the
>>>> FVP models and we don't have a plan to change to running with GICv3,
>>>> except in legacy mode.  So I'd revert that change anyway until I was
>>>> ready to support GICv3 properly.
>>>
>>> In that case, could we please leave FVP in? Unlike OpenPlatformPkg,
>>> EDK2 is a reference implementation, i.e., someone looking to implement
>>> something for his own platform containing a GICv3 should have a
>>> reference that makes sense,
>>
>> I don't think that's a good approach either.  I could make GICv2/3 a
>> build option in OpenPlatformPkg.  I'd even concede to making GICv3 the
>> default and change my own build scripts & CI jobs to use legacy mode,
>> despite...
>>
>>> and not some bodge that happens to work
>>> because you guys are only interested in GICv2 mode anyway.
>>
>> Well, that's not a very nice way to put it :-P  We supported FVP
>> before GICv3 was working, so we had to use GICv2.  We don't had the
>> capacity to make and test the changes needed to support GICv3.
>
> Apologies if I sounded a bit abrasive there.

No offence taken :-)

> It's just that our
> objectives are not entirely aligned here, I think. Removing GICv3
> support from FVP does not improve EDK2's quality as a reference
> implementation, even if it runs equally well for everyone that
> actually uses it.
>
> I produce FVP snapshots here:
> http://snapshots.linaro.org/components/kernel/leg-virt-tianocore-edk2-upstream/latest/
>
> that have the DTBs for all FVP flavors built in, and run equally well
> on Foundation/GICv3 and Base with either GICv2 or v3 (since the GIC
> memory address is not runtime configurable).
>
> For me personally, that is useful since using FVP Base is a pain when
> your uplink is dodgy (which tends to happen if you live in an RV) so I
> use Foundation and only switch to Base if i have to, prefereably with
> the exact same image. But I am ny no means the standard we should all
> live by, of course.
>
> I am happy to switch to OpenPlatformPkg for building those once it is
> synced up with EDK2, but I'd prefer it if we don't start backing out
> changes which are arguably correct just for convenience.
>

You don't say if you're happy with my idea of making GICv3 default but
optional in OpenPlatformPkg...  although I can't see why you would
object, unless you have a stronger than normal pet hate for ifdef
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