On 5 Mar 2001 16:41:22 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donald Burrill)
wrote:

> On Mon, 5 Mar 2001, Philip Cozzolino wrote in part:
> 
> > Yeah, I don't know why I didn't think to compute my eta-squared on the 
> > significant trends. As I said, trend analysis is new to me (psych grad
> > student) and I just got startled by the results.
> > 
> > The "significant" 4th and 5th order trends only account for 1% of the
> > variance each, so I guess that should tell me something. The linear 
> > trend accounts for 44% and the quadratic accounts for 35% more, so 79% 
> > of the original 82% omnibus F (this is all practice data).
> > 
> > I guess, if I am now interpreting this correctly, the quadratic trend 
> > is the best solution.
DB >
>                       Well, now, THAT depends in part on what the 
> spectrum of candidate solutions is, doesn't it?  For all that what you 
> have is "practice data", I cannot resist asking:  Are the linear & 
> quadratic components both positive, and is the overall relationship 
> monotonically increasing?  Then, would the context have an interesting 
> interpretation if the relationship were exponential?  Does plotting 
 [ snip, rest ]

"Interesting interpretation" is important.  In this example, the
interest (probably) lies mainly with the variance-explained: 
in the linear and quadratic.

It's hard for me to be highly interested in an order-5 polynomial,
and sometimes a quadratic seems unnecessarily awkward.

What you want is the convenient, natural explanation.  
If "baseline" is far different from what follows, that will induce 
a bunch of high order terms if you insist on modeling all the 
periods in one repeated measures ANOVA.  A sensible
interpretation in that case might be, to describe the "shock effect"
and separately describe what happened later.

Example.
The start of Psychotropic medications has a huge, immediate,
"normalizing"  effect on some aspects of sleep of depressed patients
(sleep latency, REM latency, REM time, etc.).  Various changes 
*after*  the initial jolt can be described as no-change;  continued
improvement;  or  return toward the initial baseline.  

In real life, linear trends worked fine for describing the on-meds
followup observation nights (with - not accidentally - increasing
intervals between them).
-- 
Rich Ulrich, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.pitt.edu/~wpilib/index.html


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