Here is a bit of Don's example, and then a closing comment about what
I had said, about interpreting coefficients.

On 10 Jan 2000 00:20:59 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donald F.
Burrill) wrote:

 < snip, much example >

> the coefficients b3 and b4 are indistinguishable from zero.  Dropping 
> SEX and SMOKES from the model, we then have
> 
>   PULSE2 = a + b1*PULSE1 + b2*RAN + b5*SEX*RAN + b6*SMOKES*RAN + error
> 
> Now some folks get unhappy at thme idea of retaining an interaction 
> (e.g., SEX*RAN) without one of its main effects (e.g., SEX);  but look 

 - Yes, I am typically unhappy, but this is a fairly special equation,
anyway.  It illustrates a point, rather than proving one ...


>       (I'm not at all sure I understand what you want to mean by 
> "strictly interpretable".  Did you have some kind of "non-strictly" in 
> mind?  "Fuzzily", perhaps?)

By "strictly interpretable", I guess that I meant that I could read a
regression equation as the first step in figuring out what tests and
coefficients are important.  I could read a printout and be *sure*
that the coefficients were telling me something useful about the
sample and the data.  You get that with orthogonal coefficients, or
with coefficients that you examine in stages -- like looking at the
main effects before entering in the interactions.

Or, to draw another distinction, the *data*  would be speaking to me.
I can get a message from reading the above, but it has to be a message
from a *statistician*, whose work and explanation I am willing to
accept.   

Don has demonstrated that a set of coefficients can be drawn up, with
specific contrasts, to illustrate some outcome.  But that is after
studying group means, and so on.  I will try to keep that possibility
in mind, the next time I want to comment on coefficients.

-- 
Rich Ulrich, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.pitt.edu/~wpilib/index.html

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