On Sat, 5 Aug 2000, Gates, Christopher [OMP] wrote:

> Donald, thank you so much for your response.  I had the opportunity to
> converse with my friend (HOH) on this matter again, and his explanation 
> seemed to closely follow yours, or at least that's how I see it.  
> 
> I guess the bottom line for me is that the assumption for normality in 
> the t-test relates to the population of sample averages (if one could 
> get such measures) which, regardless of the type of sample distribution, 
> are probably (CLT) approximately normally distributed for n > 4?  30?   

The approximation is asymptotically better for larger n, of course.

> It would seem to me then, that for almost any usual (>5) sample size 
> for a t-test, there is probably little need to do any testing of the  
> normality of the sample since by the CLT the averages are probably 
> going to be normally distributed.  

There is almost certainly little _utility_ to so doing;  for small sample 
sizes tests for normality (or for that matter any other distribution) 
have little power.

> Is this an acceptable position to take?

"Acceptable" I don't know about:  depends on the universe of discourse. 
But you should try to justify the assumption that the observations are 
taken independently, and that the underlying within-group variances are 
approximately equal.  And you should also be aware that while the t-test 
is well known to be fairly robust against violations of assumptions, 
that robustness applies to two-sided tests;  one-sided tests are, by 
comparison, rather fragile.

> Also, as another chance to display my ignorance, I couldn't find "a
> fortiori" in my dictionary. 

Try RHD, between "aforetime" and "afoul", not between "a" and "AA". 
It will surely be in OED as well.

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