Hello All,
I'm using SPSS, and I have a question concerning the estimated standard errors that are reported with the emmeans in an unbalanced design (ANOVA) when using SSTYPE(3). First, I want to make sure I'm fully understanding how they're computed, and then I want to see if I can then make a leap to calculating (reporting) the estimated standard deviation based on this information. So, I'll use as an example a 2 x 2 factorial design in which males and females were asked to indicate their enjoyment of a film clip that was either nonviolent or violent. So, the first factor is gender (male, female), and the second factor is film violence (violent, not violent). Subjects were assigned, and the n's for each of the four cells are (please note that this is just an example - not real data): Male;Nonviolent = 3 Male;Violent = 5 Female;Nonviolent = 5 Female;Violent = 3 When I look at the emmeans table for gender, for example, here are the estimated marginal means and standard errors: Male Mean: 5.433 SE: .357 Female Mean: 3.500 SE: .357 Now, based on reading info on the SPSS site, I see that the estimated standard error for the MODEL is equal to SQRT(MS Error), which in this example is: SE Model = SQRT(.956) = .9775 I also learn that the estimated standard errors reported with the emmeans (for a one-way ANOVA) are equal to: Estimated SE = SE Model / SQRT (n for the cell) Now, when it's a factorial anova with unequal cell sizes, it *seems* that the n for the cell for main effects or lower order interactions is equal to 2 X harmonic n for the cell. For example, let's say that I wanted to figure out the estimated SE for males (across levels of film violence). Given 3 males in the nonviolent condition and 5 males in the violent condition, this would be: 2 x (( 2 x (3 x 5)) / (3 + 5)) = 2 x 3.75 = 7.5 With this, the Estimated SE for Males (across levels of film violence) is: Estimated SE for Males = .9775 / SQRT(7.5) = .3569 This is exactly the figure provided to me via SPSS. So, my first question is --- is this reasoning right here? I want to make double sure because I can't find information about the specific calculations that SPSS is using, and so I'm feeling my way through this by generating multiple examples and seeing if it holds (which it seems to so far). And, my second question is this. It is possible to then use the same logic to generate the estimated standard deviation for the cell? For example (using the same male example): Would it be: ? Estimated SD = SE * SQRT(harmonic n) Estimated SD = .3567 * SQRT(3.75) = .6907 Or would it be: ? Estimated SD = SE * SQRT(2 x harmonic n) Estimated SD = .3567 * SQRT(2 x 3.75) = .9769 The reason I'm asking this estimated standard deviation question is because I find that many of the journals in my field want to see SD rather than SE with the means. Also, I just want to know if my thinking is okay on this one. So, thanks for your help! Kind regards, Mary Beth Oliver Penn State College of Communications ================================================================= Instructions for joining and leaving this list, remarks about the problem of INAPPROPRIATE MESSAGES, and archives are available at http://jse.stat.ncsu.edu/ =================================================================