Don,

  I agree with what you say.  When I was teaching introductory statistics,
the only test for *normality* that I found was a chi square test.  Are
there others that you know of?

Mike

On Mon, 17 Mar 2003, Donald Burrill wrote:

> Not to be flippant, but why do you care?  I cannot recall an instance in
> which knowing the value of a formal measure of skewness (let alone
> kurtosis) was useful.  Observing that a distribution is skewed is
> useful;  the formal skewness coefficient is not, so far as I have had
> occasion to observe.
>
> On Sun, 16 Mar 2003, VOLTOLINI wrote:
>
> > I am preparing a class on Kurtosis and Skewness and I can found different
> > formulas to calculate each one.
> >
> > Another problem is that for some formulas the result zero represents
> > a normal distribution but..... using another formula the result
> > value 3 represents a normal distribution!
>
> This is not strictly true.  It is true that for a normal distribution
> the formal coefficient of skewness has the value zero.  It does not
> follow that "the result zero represents a normal distribution" if by
> "represents" you mean "indicates", or "implies that the distribution is
> normal".  Similarly, for kurtosis defined as the fourth central moment
> of a distribution, for a normal distribution the value is 3, but it does
> not follow that "kurtosis = 3" implies "distribution is normal".
>
> > I think we need to be very careful because different softwares are
> > using different formulas.
>
> Which only reflects, and perhaps emphasizes, the relative lack of
> importance of these measures.
>
> > Does anyone can help me to choose the best formulas or give me some
> > explanation?
>
> For students in an introductory course (which I take to be what you're
> engaged in, but I might be wrong about that -- you haven't actually
> said), I would not bother much with skewness and kurtosis, except to
> point out that the concepts exist, and measures of both are sometimes
> used but not very frequently, and supply a citation or two for those who
> really want to calculate values as a recreational activity.
>
> One of the logical problems with skewness and kurtosis is that they were
> defined analogously to the variance, as the k-th central moment (k=2 for
> the variance, k=3 for skewness, k=4 for kurtosis);  what reason can one
> offer for stopping at k=4?  One could readily define a 5th, 6th, ...,
> nth central moment, but hardly anyone ever does;  presumably because
> their utility is negligibly different from zero.
>
> I believe that at one time it may have been believed (or perhaps more
> correctly, hoped) that knowledge of the first four central moments would
> provide a useful empirical way of describing the shape of an empirical
> distribution, much as a polynomial of degree 4 can sometimes provide not
> too bad a description of many empirical functions (over a limited range
> of values, of course).  But in practice this seems never to have
> happened:  perhaps because in practice one is concerned largely with the
> shape of the tails of distributions, not with the shape of their central
> 75% (say).
>                Just a thought or three...  -- Don.
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