[much snippage.  I've tried my best to avoid distorting anyone's
position.]

Herman Rubin wrote:
> 
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Jerry Dallal  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> >It's one thing to say that significance
> >tests have to be used properly.  It's another to say they should be
> >abandoned.
> 
> Where have I ever said they have to be abandoned?  The
> real question is whether one should act as if the null
> hypothesis is close enough.

If we're able to agree they have their place, then there's no
disagreement.

> >I might look at NEJM or JAMA and use
> >significance tests to *help* me choose a treatment.
> 
> I suggest you look a little more carefully.  You would
> probably use more than the significance test.

Of course.  That's why I said "to *help* me".  I didn't say I'd use only
significance tests.

> 
> >> As it is
> >> rarely possible to be sure of anything important from
> >> data, what needs to be done is to balance the various
> >> consequences of errors.
> 
> >In theory, but what about in practice?  Where are the scores of
> >decision theoretic analyses that have exposed the harm done by
> >significance tests?
> 
> Many have appeared.

I'd enjoy reading a reference or two to such real applications.
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