I have often wondered if we didn't lose something when the first programming 
people learn
to do is no longer batch processing -- the sort I learned to do with cards.  At 
any rate,
I keep meeting people who have severe problems understanding how to write 
programs that
do not interact with a user at all.  They keep wanting to have 'conversations' 
with an
assumed 'program operator' ...  It is a fundamental conceptual problem, for 
some of them.
The notion that somebody could want to 'get data from here' without clicking on 
a mouse
for a filename at all stops some people cold, even though they have already had 
1 or 2
introductory progamming courses.  For them, the _GUI_ is the computer, and the 
computer is
relentlessly interactive...

Laura

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