----- Original Message ----- From: Scott David Daniels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thursday, October 20, 2005 11:51 am Subject: Re: [Edu-sig] Python as a first language for computer sciencist
> OK, here's the other side of that coin: unit tests are just as > malleableas the rest of the code. If your first cut is wrong, you > change the > tests. You can teach the tests as a way of breaking down a > problem into > parts. A Unit test is a lemma on the way to a proof. Not much by > itself, but easier to attack than the whole proof. Can't argue. Fully intelligently, that is. OTOH, there doesn't seem much in the world of programming where the coin has less than two sides. As a practical matter, in some circumstances, I think that too much attention to testing and documentation - up front - could get one over-invested in bad ideas, and is the anti-thesis of methodology that might be associated with agility. For myself - valuing intuition as part of the development process - it is not unusual, at an early stage of some "innovation" to my code, to not be in a position to explain to myself precisely what avenue I have gone down and why, much less to somebody else. Hopefully, I get there eventually - and, if we have a keeper - it is indeed a good discipline to get it down, then. Ultimately I do take testing and documentation seriously enough - I think. Were PyGeo not, for example, dynamic by design I could not accept the possibility that my visual tests would be conclusive enough and not lead to false positives. But since I have the ability to put constructions through dynamic paces, and push them to extremes, I am able to become satisfied. Of course this means eye-balling - not very sophisticated by usual standards. But I am not convinced there is a better way to go that is proportional to the application itself. Naive testing, appropriate to the school of Naive Programming. But if we agree that there are (at least) 2 sides to many of these coins, should we not resist the temptation to present things otherwise. CS is not S proportional to the extent that it cannot resist the temptation to imply there is more S to it than there demonstrably is. IMO. Art _______________________________________________ Edu-sig mailing list Edu-sig@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig
