kirby urner wrote: >>We turn on the television and pictures appear and we are lost in the >>pictures - the magic that is beyond our understanding or interest on >>what is making them appear is suitably left as magic. *That's* the >>fallacy that's going to bring us down, IMO. >> >> >> > >Yes, and I think Squeakland helps fight that "take it all for granted" >mentality. Because you're in a cartoon-like space, and it it's *up to >you* to make stuff happen (your the TV *producer* not just the >potato). > > Please Kirby, I am talking physics, not cartoons. And as much as I admire Mr. J. Moose - I try not to confuse the two things.
>>And the funny thing is I don't really disagree with him. Except that I >>would express it a little differently - believing that the most profound >>thing that computers will do for us is teach us what computers cannot do >>for us. And I do think that is a profound lesson. >> >> > >Yes. Wittgenstein took the same approach to logic: yes it's true, >but so is 0 = 0. > > Not sure what you mean. If I sound like I am talking sematically, I certainly don't mean to be. I am thinking literally and in terms of practicalities, even if I am not successful in expressing it as such. We count the roses in Shakespeares. Know the exact number. Now what? Wittgenstein played a major role in the book I just finished. "The Proof and Paradox of Kurt Godel" by Rebecca Goldstein. Goldstein is a novelist with a heavy weight philosophy background. Godel and Wittgenstein were not on contemporaries, but moved in the same circles for a good part of these lives - The Vienna Circle. Goldstein does a brilliant job of describing the nature of the problem they had with each other. And yes it is wonderful to have a brilliant woman's perspective here. Also no question that Einstein and Godel were peers - just by the fact they chose to spend so much of their timing hanging out with each other. We all need folks to chat with ;) Art Art _______________________________________________ Edu-sig mailing list [email protected] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig
