I picked up the Alice/EA development from a offhand mention of Alice in Titus Browns' weblog entry of today.
*Michigan State University, Software Engineering, and Python* http://www.advogato.org/person/titus/diary.html?start=171 Alice's mention in passing is in effect that it represents a competing approach to that which he is advocating, via Greg Wilson's Software Carpentry and the like http://www.third-bit.com/swc/ Its a close call, IMO: silly corrupted condescending bullshit (Alice) vs. substance (Software Carpentry) For the record - rather its on the record, *here* - is the fact that I have been following Alice with a good degree of horror for some 5 years. And for the record, I am proud of the fact that I was vocally in opposition to it, the approach and ideas (if one call call them that) it represents and has represented, even when doing so put me in direct opposition to a strong prevailing sentiment within the Python community and among its leadership. I in fact got off on the wrong foot with the community precisely on this issue. And, as the recent correspondence with Dethe indicates, never fully regained my footing. But I think it important to oppose "the Alice", whether it does or does not include lines of Python. And can have no deep regrets that I didn't behave better even at the time that it was a bit of a darling here. It would have been easier to have done so. Art _______________________________________________ Edu-sig mailing list Edu-sig@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig
