I'm not sure what to make of all the discussion on the list lately.  Is it a 
hopefull sign of motion toward real gains developing tools for Python in 
Computer Science education, or is it just a whole lot of bluster which will 
soon blow away folks interested in actually getting something done? It seems to 
me that we should seek the broadest possible unity, find collaboration 
possibilities where they exist, understand that there will never be *one 
solution*, and respectfully permit folks with a different approach to do their 
own thing without feeling compelled to convince them they are wrong.  Then 
perhaps we could use the tools at our disposal to make a real impact on the 
lives of young learners.

My interest here is very personal.  I want to become a more effective teacher 
and to better serve the students who enter my classroom.  I'm not really 
interested in entertaining the notion that perhaps there shouldn't be a 
classroom, and that everything I'm doing is outdated and should be abandoned in 
favor of some other approach to learning.  It does not bother me in the least 
that others may be exploring such things, but if that is the main focus of this 
list then I really don't belong on it.

Anyone out there interested in mentoring high school age students with Python 
projects?  André Roberge has kindly offered to work with some of my students on 
GASP (a livewires rewrite using pygame).  His was the only response to my 
earlier request for mentors, and the only thing good to come to me recently 
from being on this list (thanks, André!).  I would love to be involved as 
"on-site customer" for a new Squeak-like environment for Python.  It would be 
great if folks with the required skills could answer Guido's call to take up 
that project.  I would be more than happy to provide student testers to work 
with the developers testing the software, and to work writing curriculum (for 
those interested in curriculum ;-) using the new system.

jeff elkner
yorktown high school
arlington, va
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

>Let me just add that *this* is an example of why I am going to quickly
>extract myself from this discussion. There are radically opposing
>views of education, and it very quickly gets political. I can't read
>up on all the stuff and I can't trust one side to be "right" just
>because they make the last post. I'm interested in Python software.
>I'm not interested in taking sides in a political discussion.
>
>--Guido
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