I too will add one more voice to this chorus, in the hope that numbers will influence Guido. The fact that input and raw_input existed in Python was one important factor in our decision to move our introductory curriculum to Python a couple years ago. I can clearly remember excitedly telling my colleagues: "Look, you can do input with one statement, its easy!"
Its hard to say for sure, but if I had seen that in order to get user input I had to import sys and explain to students who are seeing their first programming language what sys.stdin was all about.... I don't think I would have explored Python much further. I do not like the solution of staying with a 'golden age' version of Python. For beginners its nice that they can just go to www.python.org, download one file, run an installation wizard and have the latest version on their Windows machines. Mac users have it even easier. Having to tell them we are using an old version of the language just seems wrong. Much less to tell Mac/Linux users that they need to ignore the modern version that comes on their system. Brad _______________________________________________ Edu-sig mailing list Edu-sig@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig