Which has not been a problem at all. Think of the big involvement from the RIT folks in this year's PES. It's a meritocracy, after all. The volunteers who step forward determine what gets done.
On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 4:27 PM, Jessica Nickel <jessanic...@gmail.com> wrote: > Kirby, > > I agree, and think there definitely needs to be a focus on both college and > community-based education outreach as well. > > > On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 4:26 PM, kirby urner <kirby.ur...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> Sounds good to me, as long as we're clear that "promoting Python in >> education" is in no way limited to K-12. I'm a full time teacher of Python >> to adults and like to think edu-sig is the right venue for my kind of >> chatter as well. So far, I've felt that way. K-12 is important and >> welcome, but not the whole show. >> >> Kirby >> >> >> >> On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 9:08 AM, Jeff Elkner <j...@elkner.net> wrote: >>> >>> What I'm hoping for is broader participation and on-going effort in >>> promoting Python in education. It makes sense to coordinate this >>> effort with the PES, which could serve as a yearly gathering of folks >>> who have been working together throughout the year. This is a good >>> time to do this, following Van Lindberg's announcement of the new, >>> community PSF and the call for more folks to get involved in the >>> community. >>> >>> I think we should do this through the edu-sig for the following reasons: >>> >>> 1. The edu-sig is the currently existing group within the official >>> Python community whose focus is Python in education. >>> 2. The goal of the PES is the same as the goal of the edu-sig - to >>> support and promote Python's use in education. >>> >>> Thoughts? If there is general agreement, I'd like to propose that we >>> ask Chalmer to be the coordinator of the edu-sig for the next year and >>> that he take the lead in organizing the PES as his main task. >>> >>> On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Naomi Ceder <naomi.ce...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> > As far as coordinating the PyCon Education Summit, I don't think there >>> > is a >>> > strong precedent for any connection between Edu-Sig and running the >>> > summit. >>> > >>> > In general, PyCon people are just that - PyCon organizing spots aren't >>> > tied >>> > officially to any other Python organizations.... they may well be on >>> > the >>> > PSF, the board, etc... but they certainly don't have to be, other than >>> > Ewa, >>> > who is officially board secretary and event coordinator. PyLadies >>> > events >>> > might be an exception, but otherwise I'm not thinking of any. >>> > >>> > Since I initially pitched the first summit to Edu-Sig to less than >>> > lukewarm >>> > support, I'm a little surprised now to hear the summit being proposed >>> > as the >>> > official event of Edu-Sig... not that I'm against it, particularly, but >>> > I do >>> > think committed individuals are often more effective at getting >>> > specific >>> > things done. :-) >>> > >>> > Still if that's what you all want to do, and it can be a catalyst to >>> > re-invigorate Edu-Sig and make it more representative of all kinds of >>> > Python >>> > education, I certainly wouldn't object. >>> > >>> > So my short answer is, "there is no precedent, do what you think best." >>> > >>> > Cheers, >>> > Naomi >>> > >>> > >>> > On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Jeff Elkner <j...@elkner.net> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> OK, I'm all set with the access I need to edit the edu-sig page. I >>> >> plan to spend at least part of my time on May 31st (National Day of >>> >> Civic Hacking) working on the web site. >>> >> >>> >> The bottom of our web page currently says: "Send suggestions for >>> >> changes to the edu-sig list.", which is a good way to handle >>> >> suggestions. >>> >> >>> >> Looking over the SIG page here: >>> >> https://www.python.org/community/sigs/, I >>> >> read: >>> >> >>> >> * Each SIG has a charter, a coordinator, a mailing list, and a >>> >> directory on the Python website. >>> >> * SIG membership is informal, defined by subscription to the SIG's >>> >> mailing >>> >> list. >>> >> * Anyone can join a SIG, and participate in the development >>> >> discussions via the SIG's mailing list. >>> >> >>> >> I don't think we have a edu-sig coordinator at present. Would this be >>> >> something you would be interested in doing, Chalmer? Perhaps Naomi can >>> >> shed some more light on the practice for the last two years since she >>> >> started it, but it seems to me that a revived edu-sig would be the >>> >> logical group to help coordinate the PES. >>> >> >>> >> At some point soon we should add edu-sig on the SIG page as one of the >>> >> currently active SIGs. >>> >> >>> >> On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Chalmer Lowe >>> >> <chalmer.l...@gmail.com> >>> >> wrote: >>> >> > Jeff: >>> >> > >>> >> > Thanks for spinning up this conversation. Great stuff. >>> >> > >>> >> > My intent is to volunteer to chair the Python Education Summit (PES) >>> >> > next >>> >> > year (based on Naomi's comments regarding stepping down). I don't >>> >> > know >>> >> > what >>> >> > the formal process is to make that official... Naomi... can you shed >>> >> > light >>> >> > on that? >>> >> > >>> >> > As everyone prolly already knows, that is not a task that can be >>> >> > done >>> >> > alone, >>> >> > so there should be plenty of opportunities for others to get their >>> >> > hands >>> >> > dirty. My guess/hope is that Jessica will want to help again this >>> >> > year. >>> >> > >>> >> > I captured a ton of notes and thoughts that I am putting to paper to >>> >> > outline >>> >> > 'the process' for next year's PES. Planned on putting that up on >>> >> > github >>> >> > as >>> >> > soon as I can. (I'm relocating right now, so free time is a luxury I >>> >> > don't >>> >> > have). >>> >> > >>> >> > Along with supporting the PES, I would love to support the types of >>> >> > efforts >>> >> > you are outlining here. >>> >> > >>> >> > Thanks again for firing up this conversation. >>> >> > >>> >> > chalmer >>> >> > >>> >> > Chalmer Lowe, MS >>> >> > >>> >> > http://projecteuler.net/profile/threelowelifes.png >>> >> > Level 1 >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Andre Roberge >>> >> > <andre.robe...@gmail.com> >>> >> > wrote: >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Jeff Elkner <j...@elkner.net> >>> >> >> wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Two questions: >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> 1. Andre, what do I need to do to begin maintaining that page? >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> I have not maintained the page for quite a few years now. I >>> >> >> changed >>> >> >> computer twice in the meantime. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Here's what I remember that I had to do. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> 1. contact someone on the web support team (pointing out, I think, >>> >> >> to >>> >> >> the >>> >> >> relevant edu-sig discussion) >>> >> >> >>> >> >> I know you just asked about how to begin, but just in case you'd >>> >> >> want >>> >> >> to >>> >> >> know, here were the next steps. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> 2. generate some ssh key (if I recall correctly) so that I would be >>> >> >> allowed to commit changes >>> >> >> 3. download the whole site (first time) or update it thereafter >>> >> >> 4. (re)build it locally. >>> >> >> 5. edit the relevant rst file >>> >> >> 6. rebuild it (repeat 5 and 6 as needed) >>> >> >> 7. commit changes >>> >> >> 8. repeat steps 3 to 6 as needed (based on suggestions/requests >>> >> >> received) >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Now, it could well be that, with the redesign, the process is much >>> >> >> easier >>> >> >> and can be done online using a CMS. >>> >> >> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> 2. Is there anyone in this thread not on edu-sig? My next reply >>> >> >>> will >>> >> >>> go only to the list. >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:09 AM, Jessica Nickel >>> >> >>> <jessanic...@gmail.com> >>> >> >>> wrote: >>> >> >>> > Sounds like a plan. I would be happy to talk with Selena about >>> >> >>> > the >>> >> >>> > work >>> >> >>> > to >>> >> >>> > bridge the gap between k-12 educators and Python programmers. I >>> >> >>> > was >>> >> >>> > a >>> >> >>> > k-12 >>> >> >>> > teacher for 10 years (music) and I have been working in schools >>> >> >>> > with >>> >> >>> > my >>> >> >>> > program to teach python coding to kids for the past year and a >>> >> >>> > half, >>> >> >>> > so >>> >> >>> > I do >>> >> >>> > have some experience in that area. >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> > On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Jeff Elkner <j...@elkner.net> >>> >> >>> > wrote: >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Great! So it seems we have two short term goals: >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> 1. Get someone to agree to maintain the website (I'm >>> >> >>> >> volunteering >>> >> >>> >> if >>> >> >>> >> there isn't anyone else chomping at the bit to do it). >>> >> >>> >> 2. Reach out to Selena Deckelman to help her with her efforts >>> >> >>> >> to >>> >> >>> >> bridge the gap between developers and K-12 teachers (a noble >>> >> >>> >> goal >>> >> >>> >> indeed!). >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Do we agree that edu-sig is the sensible place to hold this >>> >> >>> >> conversation? >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> If we do, can we ask Selena to join the list if she is not >>> >> >>> >> already >>> >> >>> >> there? I'll also encourage folks like Lee Harr (cc'd here), >>> >> >>> >> the >>> >> >>> >> creator of the wonderful Pynguin environment >>> >> >>> >> (https://code.google.com/p/pynguin/) to join the list and the >>> >> >>> >> discussion. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 8:01 AM, Naomi Ceder >>> >> >>> >> <naomi.ce...@gmail.com> >>> >> >>> >> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> > One point of info I can add - the person you're thinking of >>> >> >>> >> > running >>> >> >>> >> > for >>> >> >>> >> > PSF >>> >> >>> >> > board is Selena Deckelman, who was on Nate's panel at the edu >>> >> >>> >> > summit. >>> >> >>> >> > She's >>> >> >>> >> > been very into bridging the gap between developers and K-12 >>> >> >>> >> > teachers. >>> >> >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> > Naomi >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >> >>> Edu-sig mailing list >>> >> >>> Edu-sig@python.org >>> >> >>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> > >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> Edu-sig mailing list >>> >> Edu-sig@python.org >>> >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Naomi Ceder >>> > https://plus.google.com/u/0/111396744045017339164/about >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Edu-sig mailing list >>> Edu-sig@python.org >>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig >> >> > _______________________________________________ Edu-sig mailing list Edu-sig@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig
