On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:47 AM, Christian Mascher < christian.masc...@gmx.de> wrote:
> > Hi Andre, > > > I would really like some advice based on practical experience teaching >> beginners. >> >> > I personally would stick with Idle. There was a time, when it was > problematic under MacOS because tkinter was missing there - but those days > are over. > > As an all-platform, _already (battery-) included_ editor, Idle is simple > but pretty good. There is not much you have to explain which concerns the > ide. > > Most of the problems of beginners in Idle (and I always use idle in class, > apart from reeborg) are not very idle-specific (indentation, copy and paste > in console-mode, miximg tabs and spaces, saving, importing). > > You will have to explain the difference between programming at the prompt > or in a file, but you would have to explain similar things in other ide's > as well. > > If you want to keep it safe and simple, write programs with Idle only in > files (File->New File, and run them with F5). Most technical problems arise > when using the live-prompt (session-saving is useless). > > Some students used idle and pygame together some years ago with no > problems. Thanks for the reassurance. André > > > > > >> 1. Use IDLE. Free, part of the standard distribution. I never used it >> very much myself and I keep reading about how tricky it can be to set up >> properly for beginners - mostly, I gathered, due to path problems on >> Windows. There is a proposal to make it better ( >> https://github.com/asweigart/idle-reimagined/wiki) but it is doubtful it >> will be realized soon enough (or at all) to make it worthwhile waiting for >> it. >> >> > I haven't encountered path problems with idle recently (about since the > introduction of Windows XP and python msi-installers ...) > > When Pygame is installed Python has got to find it, but that shouldn't be > a concern of Idle. > > Having to install only two things (check for the python dependency of the > pygame-version first!) would be my choice. > > Cheers, > > Christian > > _______________________________________________ > Edu-sig mailing list > Edu-sig@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig >
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