This would probably be a good time (as a list moderator) to remind everyone to keep things respectful and kind.
Personal attacks are never allowed. From anyone. Full stop. Regards, Naomi On 14 July 2016 at 02:41, Nicholas H.Tollervey <nt...@ntoll.org> wrote: > Hi Carl, > > On 13/07/16 23:23, Carl Smith wrote: > > Just tried contributing to Mu, and was ridiculed by Nicholas Tollervey, > > so wont be bothering with it now. > > > > If that's how I made you feel, them I'm sorry. > > Nevertheless, I'm trying to work out how asking for evidence could be > construed as ridicule. I was trying to set out the scope of Mu, why we > made the UX design decisions we did when building Mu, what I would need > in order to accept changes and tried (but obviously failed) to strike a > pleasant and welcoming tone. > > > It would have been an interesting project. I've taught Python > > professionally, and developed very similar tools before, so it's exactly > > the type of thing I normally enjoy working on. The frosty welcome from > > Tollervey was a bit too much though. > > > > For the benefit of everyone else, the full exchange and my "frosty" > response can be found here: > > https://github.com/ntoll/mu/issues/116 > > I'd encourage people to read it and make up their own mind. > > I'm trying to work out how asking for evidence can be construed as > "frosty". You stated that you thought the editor was childish, you > mention minimalism without explaining what you meant and you criticised > our UX design decisions. > > Of course I'm going to ask for evidence. What else did you expect? > > Finally, making this personal by singling me out and casting aspersions > in a public mailing list makes me *very* uncomfortable and is not a nice > thing to do. > > As I mentioned at the start, if I made you feel like you were being > ridiculed, then I apologise - but it is unacceptable to make ad hominem > attacks on people simply because they've asked you for evidence to back > up your brief and undeveloped assertions in a ticket. > > Finally, and for the record, we welcome feedback, both good and bad, > from anyone no matter who they are. As we mention in our "contributing" > statement (https://github.com/ntoll/mu/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.rst), we > expect people to follow the PSF's code of conduct, engage with respect, > humour and intelligence and to expect robust yet respectful feedback. > > I trust that, in future, you will bear this in mind. > > Best wishes, > > Nicholas. > > > _______________________________________________ > Edu-sig mailing list > Edu-sig@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig > > -- Naomi Ceder https://plus.google.com/u/0/111396744045017339164/about
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