No, it was this one:
https://youtu.be/jZoa8IUoqEw?t=560
(Thanks for pushing me to actually look it up!)
The above link points to the second half of this edu summit
presentation, by Chalmer Lowe. He described why certification is not
easy, what some of the challenges are, and why we might want it.
I'm a long-time open-source person, and always thought the idea of
certification was silly and unnecessary. But this talk changed my mind,
both indicating that it's important and useful, and that it's hard to
create a useful and good certificate.
But again, I think that getting a community-backed certification program
could be really useful, especially now that (as Tomek noted) Microsoft
has pulled out of this market.
Reuven
atpul...@tutanota.com wrote on 04/05/2022 12:57:
Was it this presentation?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiqeUVgrNnU
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiqeUVgrNnU>
I have written a basic foundation for Python, found at
https://github.com/wonntann/Python <https://github.com/wonntann/Python>,
with exercises
in the docs directory.
Best,
Tanya
<https://twitter.com/wonntann> <https://github.com/wonntann/>
May 4, 2022, 09:04 by gabor.g...@proinbox.com:
Thank you for the quick feedback. I will try to find the PyCon
presentation then :) I think, the "keeping the questions secure and
secret" may be solved:
- there are questions which are kind of definitions and they are not
secret (if you learn the right answer you learn the core syntax, etc.);
- there are exercises like questions which can be dynamically
generated and verified; so, you can't cheat the answer.
I'm very curious what other issues you consider.
Gabor
On Wed, May 4, 2022, at 4:18 PM, Reuven M. Lerner wrote:
There was a great talk given at PyCon 2019's education summit about
certification. (I'm sorry that I don't remember who gave it,
because it
was excellent, and laid out the issues very clearly.) It really
opened
my eyes to the complexity and difficulty of creating a good
certification program -- but also the importance of having one
run by
the community, rather than companies.
I would be happy to chat with other people about setting up some
sort of
PSF-sponsored Python certification program, which would benefit
everyone
in the community. But it won't be easy or a short-term project, and
there are many issues to deal with, including the need for
keeping the
questions secure and secret, while keeping it an open-source
project.
Reuven
Carl Karsten wrote on 04/05/2022 10:10:
+1
On Wed, May 4, 2022 at 8:59 AM <gabor.g...@proinbox.com> wrote:
I have checked out the the Python certification programs
and I think it would be interesting to create something
more "official" and more open/cheaper. I have found a
Polish company which calls itself as Python-Institute
(which is a bit misleading name in my opinion as it
suggest that it is officially related to some
organization of the Python community) and sells
tests/certs from approx. fifty to several hundred EUR
depending on the level. I have tried the entry level and
for me it was disappointing from the perspective of the
quality of the questions. I haven't tried Microsoft's
certification yet.
I think it would be a very viable option to create a
certification program which is officially supported by
the PSF and provide some reasonable pricing (i.e. free
if someone just want do a self assessment and a
reasonable price if someone want to take the test in a
controlled environment). The scope could be the core
language elements.
Let me know what you think about the usefulness of the idea.
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