I believe that this sort of discussion would be more useful on a wiki talk page (outreach?) rather than "locked up" in a listserv. Just my 2c, of course. :-)
Happy holidays y'all! Toni --- Dr Toni Sant - Education Organiser, Wikimedia UK [email protected] +44 (0)7885 980 536 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* On 16 December 2014 at 19:24, Leigh Thelmadatter <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks for your input Alhen! > > I understand the biblio's point of view in that teachers should have have > a minimum amount of wiki experience before assigning stuff to their > students. I have been pushing this to my department and above. For this > reason we have been holding lots of training sessions since last summer and > just had two last week with the participation 15 or so. This gives teachers > a good start in of what Wikipedia is about, but it does not generate a > large number of teacher edits right away. One thing we have changed is that > teachers must upload an article to complete training, generally a > translation. You can see this in the course up right now in the tool > https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_Program:Tec_de_Monterrey,_Campus_Ciudad_de_Mexico/Capacitacion_de_profesores_() > > On the other hand, I finally got admin interested in Wiki enough to back > our program (called Wiki Learning), an incredibly important step as it > makes teachers take the idea more seriously. So Im trying to balance > es.wiki's needs along with the my school's (and the Ed Program's) desire to > expand working with Wikipedia among students. While teachers will not be > anywhere near as experienced as I am (or as my fellow project leaders > Paolaricaurte and Lourdes Epstein), they do understand the very basics and > have the support of experienced students working with Wiki in other > capacities (servicio social, becarios, etc) to as in a capacity similar to > Campus Ambassadors. As project leader for Wiki Learning, I am responsible > for monitoring the teachers, as well as training people to eventually take > over that capacity at campuses outside my own. > > If the biblios decide not to grant the tool, I simply means that I will be > creating the classes and depending on what teachers decide (es.wiki or > Commons) that can be 40 or more classes. In some ways, it is easier. I can > create the classes using systematic names but it will be hell for me for > the first week or so. (We never 100% know which classes we have until the > first week of the semester, go figure.) Well not quite me alone > as Jmvkrecords has already indicated that he will give it to Paolaricaurte. > > > These are major growing pains and granted, a GOOD (as well as unexpected) > problem to have. > > Leigh > > ------------------------------ > From: [email protected] > Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 14:22:40 -0400 > > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Education] denied access to course extension > > I participated on such discussion about whether to give course coordinator > flag to the teachers. > > The general idea is that they will need someone monitoring their work. > Eswiki, as many others I guess, has a long history of students and teachers > using the wiki without reading the policies. That said, I understand why > they want to take the process as slow as possible. Please, don't take it > personal. > > I recommend you get a biblio(sysop) involved so he can back you up and > help you control the whole projecta and edits. I see the main problem here > is that many users will come to edit on es.wiki with little or no > experience, and the course coordinator will have the same experience of > those who are participating for the first time. Feel free to correct me if > I am missing anything. > > > > > > > Alhen > > @alhen_ > alhen at most places. > Coordinator at Wikimedia Bolivia > https://www.fb.com/w <https://www.fb.com/wikimediabolivia>ikimediabolivia > <https://www.fb.com/wikimediabolivia> > Thrive, live, and bloom. > > On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 1:03 PM, Leigh Thelmadatter <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Ive been told that they are placing the same requirements on the course > coordinator flag as they do on all others.. a certain amount of online > history with es.wiki. I have made the arguments that you suggest Samir and > User:Jmvkrecords has said he will discuss it with other admins > (bibliotecarios), but he has stated that the community has the final say. > > Question: why is this tool separated under the various language projects? > First, this limits the monitoring/documenting to a single language (if > students do projects in en.wiki and es.wiki, there needs to be two > extensions) and who needs the tool is very different from the others. Why > dont we have one course extension that can scrape the data from whatever > project students are working on? > > > > ------------------------------ > Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 18:41:10 +0200 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Education] denied access to course extension > > > Hi Leigh, > > To help with your question may I ask you first if there is a local policy > for the use of the education extension user rights on the Spanish Wikipedia? > > If there is a policy that supports the admin's reply, then unfortunately > there will be nothing to do with that. > > If the answer is no, then you can reapply on the same page or separately > on other adimns talk pages relying on many factors: > > 1. The ed extension user rights help only with ed program pages and don't > give any special rights on the article name space. > > 2. The use of the ed extension is to help the coordinators and volunteers > of the program even if they don't have any edits on Wikipedia. > > 3. On Wikipedia in other languages, admins don't, usually, apply such > requirements on ed user rights. (Please note that the policies of each wiki > community may vary from another and they are the only authority on their > policies and its application) > > I hope this helps with your issue. > > Cheers, > > Samir Elsharbaty > Communications Intern, Wikipedia Education Program > Wikimedia Foundation > +2.011.200.696.77 > [email protected] > education.wikimedia.org > On 15 Dec 2014 19:46, "Federico Leva (Nemo)" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Leigh Thelmadatter, 13/12/2014 03:34: > > > Basically the answer is no. They have to have editing experience and > show that they at least have the ability to speak Spanish and show they > can be good course coordinators. > > > Did you try asking some more admins (on their talk page) to chime in? > Often such request pages are only watched by a small "specialised" group. > > Nemo > > _______________________________________________ > Education mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education > > > _______________________________________________ Education mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education > > _______________________________________________ > Education mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education > > > _______________________________________________ Education mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education > > _______________________________________________ > Education mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education > >
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