In the last message, I meant "dedicated volunteers" not "restless volunteers". Sorry for that silly mistake!
On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 5:05 PM, Samir Elsharbaty <[email protected] > wrote: > > Hi Jirka Daněk, > > Thank you for the great initiative you are planning to take at your > university and for reaching out to the Wikimedia Education mailing list. > > I agree with the voices recommending that students translate from English > to Czech not the opposite. For example, there are +4,500 featured articles > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_articles> on the > English Wikipedia and most of them do not exist or not in a good state on > the Czech Wikipedia. Students can start enriching the Czech content by > translating some of these articles. > > I agree with Anna that coordinating with Vojtech and the Czech Wikimedia > Chapter would be of the best helping options. Their great experience and > restless volunteers will help a lot with your promising plan. > > Please don't hesitate to contact me with any questions you may have. > > Regards, > > -- > Samir Elsharbaty, > Communications Intern, Wikipedia Education Program > Wikimedia Foundation > +2.011.200.696.77 > [email protected] > education.wikimedia.org > > On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 7:26 PM, Ziko van Dijk <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> Is there a specific reason why your students are supposed to translate >> from the native language to English, and not the other way round? >> Writing for English Wikipedia is very difficult even to English >> speaking students. If the text quality of the contributions is (too) >> low, you might receive hostile reactions from English Wikipedians. >> Also, it is important not to regard Wikipedia as a place where to >> "dump" loads of texts. A text must be curated afterwards. At least for >> a couple of days, the students should be online and accept feedback in >> order to improve the texts. This time must be planned in your >> schedule. Again, if Wikipedians get the impression that "their >> Wikipedia" is "abused" as a "data dump place", leaving the work to >> improve and wikify the texts to them, the Wikipedia volunteers, it is >> possible that the reactions are hostile and that "articles" will be >> deleted. >> I hope this does not sound too pessimistic. :-) Also, I would advise >> to consider to let students something else do that "writing an >> article". I think that that is something a beginner should not start >> with. >> >> Happy to hear about your proceedings, on this list. >> >> If someone is interested, I could report about experiences with regard >> to German students translating from English. >> >> Kind regards >> Ziko >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 2015-05-21 18:10 GMT+02:00 Leigh Thelmadatter <[email protected]>: >> > Ive worked for some time here in Mexico with Wikipedia, doing everything >> > from writing articles in English, to translation, to photography and >> > subtitling projects in Commons. >> > >> > I very much do recommend you contact the Czech education people, who >> are a >> > great bunch and can give you invaluable hands-on support. >> > >> > In my experience, I have found having students write new text in their >> > non-native language to be extremely challenging, and you have to be sure >> > that students are up for it. Translation gives the basic structure (a >> +) >> > but it also has problems with L1 interference in L2. (and vice versa but >> > particularly problematic for L1--> L2) >> > >> > If you are not sure if students are up for this (or you have the time), >> I >> > have a couple of suggestions for experimenting... >> > >> > 1) Have students review articles in English on Czech topics for >> inaccuracies >> > and/or out-of-date information and/or missing details or citations. The >> > Visual Editor tool has made article improvement a bit easier, >> especially the >> > addition of references. >> > >> > 2) Wikimedia Commons (commons.wikimedia.org) has videos in English >> that need >> > subtitles. One teacher at my school Karen Mazanec, had students create >> > English subtitles for English video as intensive listening practice. >> > >> https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education/Newsletter/April_2015/New_to_Wikipedia:_A_personal_perspective >> > >> > >> > Interesting to to get your mail today as I had a meeting where they are >> > talking more about modualizing (not a word, I know) courses. If you >> could >> > send me a link about your course at Masaryk, I would appreciate it >> greatly. >> > >> > Leigh >> > >> > >> > >> > ________________________________ >> > From: [email protected] >> > Date: Thu, 21 May 2015 17:40:12 +0200 >> > To: [email protected] >> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Education] confirm >> > 69ccb875820d9c89580605f70c3db83e8a426db7 >> > >> > >> > Hello, >> > >> > I am a teaching assistant in ONLINE_A, e-learning English course at >> Masaryk >> > University, Czech Republic. This course is structured around students >> > completing various English practice tasks and in that way gaining points >> > towards credit. I came up with the idea to make writing a Wikipedia >> article >> > one of those tasks. The course is relatively large, but since this is >> going >> > to be one of the more difficult tasks available and only the more >> advanced >> > students can actually do it, I assume there would be only about 6 to 12 >> > students every semester doing this task. I would not be able to coach >> more >> > of them anyways. The students are unlikely to have previous editor >> > experience on WIkipedia. To accommodate for that, I plan to have them >> > translate an article from Czech to English Wikipedia and instruct them >> to >> > refer to an existing similar article on English Wikipedia to get a feel >> for >> > what they need to create. >> > >> > Example: Translate https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michal_Tu%C4%8Dn%C3%BD >> as >> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michal_Tu%C4%8Dn%C3%BD referring to >> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenny_Rogers as a source of inspiration. >> > >> > I am looking for an existing Wikimedia Education initiative under which >> this >> > initiative of my could be put into practice. I found "Studenti píší >> > Wikipedii" at >> > https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education/Countries/Czech_Republic. >> Is >> > it the correct bunch of people to turn to, given that I target >> WIkipedia in >> > English, not the Czech one? >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ Education mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Education mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Education mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education >> > > > > -- > Samir Elsharbaty, > Communications Intern, Wikipedia Education Program > Wikimedia Foundation > +2.011.200.696.77 > [email protected] > education.wikimedia.org > -- Samir Elsharbaty, Communications Intern, Wikipedia Education Program Wikimedia Foundation +2.011.200.696.77 [email protected] education.wikimedia.org
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