Hi James, I think that I understand your proposal better now. Thanks.
Rather than involving Lila at this stage, I would like to suggest that you talk directly to the Wiki Ed Foundation if you haven't already. Please do let me know how they respond. Good-faith paid editing is a subject that seems to be bubbling up in a number of places recently. Thanks, Pine On Jun 5, 2015 2:35 AM, "James Salsman" <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Pine, sure, the WikiEd Foundation is able to pay for fact checking > without risking the Wikimedia Foundation's safe harbor. The funding > model was originally going to be to crowdsourced, but now that I have > relatively more money than time, I am probably going to pay for the > bot development work out of pocket myself, but still plan to set up > something along the lines of http://imgur.com/a/Pp2zr to pay for the > fact checkers. The WikiEd Foundation has an interest in making sure > that their students' work is not degrading the accuracy of the > encyclopedia, and this provides them an easy way to do so. > > As for your final question, why should Lila not be involved in this > discussion? Weren't you just a few days ago saying that the annual > plan comment period should be longer and more inclusive? But I guess > the best answer is that, if the WikiEd Foundation isn't interested in > general accuracy review for work other than by their students, then a > second spin-off foundation is probably going to be necessary. > > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 11:34 PM, Pine W <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi James, > > > > I understand that WMF can't do much content work without risking its DCMA > > safe harbor, and I understand that fact checking even if paid might be a > net > > benefit to the project. But I'm not sure how that relates to the > Education > > mailing list, what funding model you are proposing for this work, why the > > Wiki Ed Foundation would want to include this kind of fact checking > within > > its scope of work even if the funding was readily available, and why Lila > > would be involved in this discussion. Can you clarify those points? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Pine > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 9:42 AM, James Salsman <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >> P.S. Report is at > http://people.aifb.kit.edu/ffl//wikiwho/fp715-floeck.pdf > >> and further docs at http://f-squared.org/wikiwho/ > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 10:25 AM, James Salsman <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > Hi Aaron and Pine, > >> > > >> > Please see > >> > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikipedia-l/2015-May/031684.html > >> > > >> > I was thrilled to see Maribel Acosta's WikiWho check-in for > >> > Mediawiki-Utilities today, and I hope you are, too: > >> > https://github.com/maribelacosta/wikiwho/pull/3 > >> > > >> > I intend to raise money independently so that someone such as Maribel > >> > or perhaps one of her colleagues recommended by Fabian Flöck can work > >> > on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Accuracy_review > >> > > >> > Once that is complete, the project calls for human fact checkers to > >> > work on the suggested passages for proofreading and fact checking > >> > review. I intend to raise money for them, too, but I understand that > >> > the WMF can't have any part of hiring them to preserve the safe harbor > >> > DMCA provisions. Earlier in the year, I administered qualifying > >> > examinations to hundreds of fact checker candidates, and have > >> > transferred the results of those examinations to Lila and Dario, in > >> > case I get run over by a bus, and also so that they can independently > >> > confirm the quality of the examination process, questions, and > >> > responses which they should have. > >> > > >> > Aaron, can you please confirm that Lila and Dario have those and don't > >> > need anything more from me to read them? I would love to do this > >> > myself, but I will be very busy through the end of the year. > >> > > >> > Best regards, > >> > James > >> > > >> > > >> > On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 6:09 AM, Aaron Halfaker > >> > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> Hi James, > >> >> > >> >> I've been away traveling for the last couple of weeks. Regretfully, > I > >> >> don't > >> >> know what you are talking about. I see that a link was censored > from a > >> >> previous email in the thread. > >> >> > >> >> What exactly are you hoping for? That we'll dedicate some researcher > >> >> time > >> >> to a specific project? Maybe you're just looking for feedback. I > see > >> >> you > >> >> mention hiring people -- but for what purpose? > >> >> > >> >> -Aaron > >> >> > >> >> On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 9:11 PM, James Salsman <[email protected]> > >> >> wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> P.S. I mean, the WMF can't hire them but the WEF can, and I hope > they > >> >>> do > >> >>> soon to complement the accuracy metric without expenditure. > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> On Wednesday, June 3, 2015, James Salsman <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Hi Aaron, > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Could you please confirm that Lila and Dario are in receipt of the > >> >>>> fact-checker candidate list and associated materials? Please > remember > >> >>>> that > >> >>>> the WEF can't hire them but the WikiEd Foundation has not yet > >> >>>> achieved > >> >>>> IdeaLab technology, so your assistance may still be required. Thank > >> >>>> you for > >> >>>> your patience. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Best regards, > >> >>>> James Salsman > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >> >>>> From: James Salsman <[email protected]> > >> >>>> Date: Sunday, May 31, 2015 > >> >>>> Subject: comments on Annual Plan > >> >>>> To: Lila Tretikov <[email protected]> > >> >>>> Cc: Dario Taraborelli <[email protected]> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Dear Dario and Lila, > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Are you both able to see the human fact checker and proofreader > >> >>>> candidates in > >> >>>> [censored] ? > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Please keep the contents of that file confidential, as I promised I > >> >>>> would > >> >>>> not share it with commercial interests. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Please let me know your thoughts on the next best steps. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Best regards, > >> >>>> James > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 10:05 PM, James Salsman < > [email protected]> > >> >>>> wrote: > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> Lila, > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> Thank you so much. I will help Dario as much as I can. You are > both > >> >>>>> so > >> >>>>> great. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> Best regards, > >> >>>>> Jim > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> On Thursday, May 28, 2015, Lila Tretikov <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> Hi James, > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> Not sure we can "take this away" better than another volunteer, > but > >> >>>>>> we > >> >>>>>> do plan to focus on quality measurements. I am CCing Dario who is > >> >>>>>> in charge > >> >>>>>> of Analytics Research to look into the specifics of what's > involved > >> >>>>>> here and > >> >>>>>> how it may link to the general quality metrics. > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> Lila > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 7:54 AM, James Salsman < > [email protected]> > >> >>>>>> wrote: > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> Hi Lila, > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> Please take this away from me. I do not want to be in a position > >> >>>>>>> where > >> >>>>>>> my influence over it can unduly enrich my new client by > degrading > >> >>>>>>> the > >> >>>>>>> quality of the encyclopedia. Please let me know your decision. > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> Best regards, > >> >>>>>>> James > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >> >>>>>>> From: James Salsman <[email protected]> > >> >>>>>>> Date: Thu, May 28, 2015 at 8:52 AM > >> >>>>>>> Subject: comments on Annual Plan > >> >>>>>>> To: Wikimedia Mailing List <[email protected]> > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> Regarding > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Annual_Plan/2015-16#Engineering > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> Will key quality metrics for reading include accuracy of > articles > >> >>>>>>> on > >> >>>>>>> the Simple English Wikipedia? > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> To that end, will the Wikimedia Foundation please take over this > >> >>>>>>> project in full as stated here: > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikipedia-l/2015-May/031684.html > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> I have a new contract through the end of the year and will be > >> >>>>>>> unable > >> >>>>>>> to devote the time I had planned. Thank you. > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> Best regards, > >> >>>>>>> James Salsman > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Education mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education > > > > _______________________________________________ > Education mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education >
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