James, as we've said before, this is not something Wiki Ed is interested in collaborating with you on.
All student usernames from last term are available on the course pages at dashboard.wikiedu.org. LiAnna On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 11:37 AM, James Salsman <[email protected]> wrote: > Sage, the Wikiwho programmers in Germany volunteered to help with the > Accuracy Review bot, and fundraising is proceeding well, so this can happen > sooner. I have been trying to ask Frank Schulenberg to join me > in supporting measuring both student edits and a wider random sample of > edits, as I believe a decent experimental design allowing for a > long-term cost-benefit analysis would require anyway, and I'm interested in > measuring human paid accuracy review on other subsets of articles, such as > those with known conflicted interest advocacy, controversy, and high > readership. From my perspective, that a student made an edit is just one of > those factors which could put a revision towards the front of > a review queue. > > So, where is a list of recent student editors? > > Another topic from last month is whether participating in an accuracy > review task which would ordinarily be paid (for humans) is somewhat > indistinguishable from a very general form of computer aided instruction. I > hope this has utopian implications that tuition and labor will somehow > cancel out, but while very optimistic, I am not yet anywhere nearly that > optimistic. This does seem similar to the parsimonious situation in my > professional field where a reading tutor can be indistinguishable from a > pronunciation tutor in certain circumstances; it doesn't alleviate the need > for writing instruction. > > In any case, that question suggests collecting measurements about whether > unpaid volunteers are willing to participate in accuracy review tasks. > So, nobody will be turned away just because they want to work for free. In > fact, we may try to attract conflict of interest advocacy editors into the > volunteer pool in order to see if we can automatically discover them via > second order review. > > Please let me know your thoughts. > > On Monday, April 20, 2015, Sage Ross <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 5:27 PM, James Salsman <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Thank you, Sage, for your reply: >>> >>> >... I've been chatting with the folks working on this, and they are >>> actually >>> > quite close to having a usable API for estimated article quality — >>> which I'm >>> > super excited about building into our dashboard. The human part of it >>> will >>> > be down the road a bit, but the main purpose there will be to >>> continually >>> > improve the model by having experienced editors create good ratings >>> data for >>> > training the model. But I expect that there won't be much trouble in >>> finding >>> > Wikipedians to pitch on that. >>> > >>> > I had actually been exploring the idea of setting up a crowdsourcing >>> system >>> > where we might pay experienced editors to do before and after ratings >>> for >>> > student work, but at this point I'm much more enthusiastic about the >>> machine >>> > learning approach that the revision-scoring-as-a-service project is >>> taking — >>> > since that is easy to scale up and maintain long term. >>> >>> I recommend measuring the optimal amount of human input and review. It >>> is very substantially nonzero if you want to maximize the >>> encyclopedia's utility function. There is really nobody at the WEF who >>> wants to try to co-mentor accuracy review? What if there was a cap on >>> total hours needed. I am sure you wouldn't regret it, but I am also >>> happy to continue on my own for the time being. >> >> >> I'm definitely interested in better systems for human review — >> especially for the work of student editors — alongside automated qualtiy >> estimation tools. It's not a project Wiki Ed has the capacity to take on >> right now, though. >> >> -Sage >> > > _______________________________________________ > Education mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education > > -- LiAnna Davis Director of Program Support Wiki Education Foundation +1-415-770-1061 www.wikiedu.org
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