Hi Ian,

Ian McCallion wrote:

> I think this is unfair. Design by committee does not work, at least not
> well enough. Who remembers PL/I which was to take over from COBOL, or OSI
> with its 7 layer communications protocol stack, blown away by good enough
> TCP/IP? Even CORBA, dare I say it, needs Java to save it.

You know that it is Sun who claim they have a community process for defining
new specs. It just seem that the community they talk about is within Sun.

> And if Sun really had their own server primarily in mind when designing
> EJB, how come NetDynamics is an also-ran instead of a market leader?

Remember that NetDynamic was bough by Sun. When they bough it, it did not had
EJB in  it, Sun worked hard to put SessionBean in NetDynamics to support the
1.0 spec.
They where also forced to make Entity bean a required compenent in the the 1.1
spec because of the community pressure. This was previously schedule for
further release (probably 2.0).

That why the community should work to put pressure on Sun so they do the things
right. The EJB spec is too important, it should be done right (I know nothing
is ever completly right) from the begining.

> We all love Java. If it needs a few people (me included) to feel their
> ideas aren't being taken into account properly in order to make Java a
> success so be it. At least the way Sun is doing it is better than the old
> IBM way, or the current you-know-who way.**

I agree that the Sun way is better that the old IBM way and the MS way... But
it still far from being a open process. They hear a lot, but they don't listen
a lot.

Sun did a great job at designing the EJB spec. But there still are some part of
the spec (1.1) that should be revised. The java/ejb community should comment on
the spec and Sun should listen.

In the scientific world, this is called "peer review". And it work great!

   SeeU!

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Emmanuel Pirsch
Sun Certified Java Programmer
Unite for Java! - http://www.javalobby.org/
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"The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful
servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten
the gift."
 - Albert Einstein.

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