Yes, moderation would be a great idea. The number of posts irrelevant to the
list's topic seems to be increasing each day. Is anyone from Sun/JavaSoft
who could pursue this reading this?
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Stefan Tilkov -- stefan(dot)tilkov(at)innoq(dot)com -- www.innoQ.com
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> Von: A mailing list for Enterprise JavaBeans development
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Im Auftrag von Bernhard Merkle
> Gesendet: Thursday, July 27, 2000 9:22 AM
> An: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Betreff: moderated list ? (was Re: Poll: Which EJB container do you use)
>
>
> Hi Frank,
>
> I totally agree. It's also my observation that:
>
> - a lot of getting started questions problems are asked again and again
> most of these can be answered by *reading* the spec, the vendor
> manuals and the FAQ
>
> - a lot of vendor specific questions a questioned here instead of
> the vendor newsgroups/mailinglists
> this should go to the vendors group.
>
> - most of the ejb-spec discussion (e.g. open items, problems with
> the currenct version)
> has in fact disapeard here because of the two above problems.
>
> I think it would be usefull to introduce moderation to this
> mailing-list so we can reach again
> a good level of discussion. Please don't start the usual pro/cons
> moderation now. I think it's
> really worth to think about this step.
>
> best regards,
> Berni.
>
>
> Frank Sauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
> > Gemstone/J is virtually non-existent (I placed the only vote so far)
> > I think because most Gemstone users don't frequent this list anymore
> > because they are not having any problems...and they don't want to
> > read the millions of 'weblogic problem' posts on this list.
> >
> > I think a better question to ask in a poll is what appserver have you
> > used to complete an entire project and successfully deployed it in a
> > large scale environment. It seems to me that a lot of voters are just
> > getting their toes wet and are 'playing' with some of the free
> appservers
> > or evaluation versions of the commercial ones. Judging by the average
> > post on this list that seems to describe most of the readers of this
> > mailing list. Of course there are numerous exceptions to this grossly
> > over-generalized observation, and I'm not going to name them
> all, I'm sure
> > you all know who you are.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Frank
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: A mailing list for Enterprise JavaBeans development
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of James Cook
> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 2:40 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: Poll: Which EJB container do you use
> > >
> > >
> > > Sometimes I think that some of you are more uptight than
> > > Martha Stewart on
> > > dirty sheets.
> > >
> > > I'll leave it to those great unbiased pillars of opinion, Giga, Zona,
> > > Gartner, ZDNet, etc. to post there stats on what app servers
> > > are leading by
> > > market share. If you believe that these vendor companies
> > > don't court these
> > > analysts like a lobbyist on a US congressman, then you are blind.
> > >
> > > This isn't a poll to determine which app server is *better*,
> > > William. It is
> > > a very informal question that I want to ask all of my EJB
> > > friends. What EJB
> > > Container are you *using* today? Very simple.
> > >
> > > Tim, sorry I missed a few obvious choices in the poll.
> > > Respondents seem to
> > > be quite intelligent and are successfully writing in their
> > > appservers as you
> > > noticed. As the number of respondents increase, I'm sure the
> > > numbers will
> > > converge to a more interesting and accurate picture. Of
> > > course, there is
> > > room for abuse. Of course, I don't care. I find the results
> > > so far to be
> > > very useful in my own way.
> > >
> > > I'm getting a pretty interesting picture of which ejb
> > > containers people are
> > > using today. Some surprises that I see so far are:
> > >
> > > 1. Weblogic has an enormous market share. Much more than I
> > > would've thought.
> > > The distance between #1 and #2 is huge.
> > >
> > > 2. Gemstone/J is almost non-existant. Very surprised.
> > >
> > > 3. OrionServer has a very strong presence and Pramati is not
> > > far behind.
> > > More so than the big commercial powerhouses of Inprise and
> > > IBM which are
> > > virtual tied.
> > >
> > > Disclaimer: These conclusions could be drastically wrong. I
> > > expect that
> > > anyone with strong vendor ties or employed by any of these
> > > companies that
> > > didn't do quite so well will be quick to tell you that. Use
> > > your own mind
> > > and draw your own conclusions.
> > >
> > > jim
> > >
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