Juliano, I agree with you completely. If I am a company and I want to build or create a management system I would look at IBM - Tivoli, CA - UniCenter, BMC - Patrol, Inprise - AppCenter, SUN - Jiro, and others. Possibly a combination of the above... These are all good management systems, all with strengths and weaknesses. Hopefully all these products will be able to manage JMX instrumented J2EE applications. At least IBM, CA, BMC and Inprise are all part of the standards efforts to make this happen. Jiro people have never been present, to my knowledge. Jiro is a very nice framework, if I was trying to build a distributed management system. It has many of the high level services needed to support such an undertaking. If I wanted to build another Tivoli, I might use Jiro to help me do it :-) But it is not trying to be the instrumentation layer. The services you speak of are very important services that need to be available in order to manage distributed applications. But J2EE management is not trying to do that (I don't think), it is just trying to instrument J2EE in such a way that other management systems will be able to manage any J2EE component or components in a defined way. Please do not think that I am knocking Jiro, I am not... its just a different kind of product. Best Regards, Geoff > > Subject: Re: [Fwd: Vendors supporting CMI (Console Management Interface) > API?] > Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:11:11 GMT > From: Juliano Viana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: A mailing list for Enterprise JavaBeans development > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > JMX is the way to get at the information... so from the point of view > of J2EE management, > > Jiro is not that relevent.. all you need is a way to get at the > information and the > > definition of the information you can get at... Jiro is way too big > (and expensive :-) > > to be used for this purpose.... > > > Does that make sense ? > > --Geoff > > Every real-life management system needs some basic features: > - Authentication and Authorization > - Distributed transactions > - Lookup service > > Jiro supports those features, JMX does not (at last in the moment). > So, if you want to use JMX to build a distributed management solution, > you will end writing more code than you would write with Jiro. > > Regards, > Juliano Viana > ESTRELAR.COM > > =========================================================================== > To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include in the body > of the message "signoff EJB-INTEREST". For general help, send email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include in the body of the message "help". =========================================================================== To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include in the body of the message "signoff EJB-INTEREST". For general help, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include in the body of the message "help".
