Gartner were also the same jokers that predicted that NT would kill off Sun
and that all transactions would be handled by MTS.
"probably .8"
fh
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: A mailing list for Enterprise JavaBeans development
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ian Edmondstone
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 8:04 PM
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: Gartner group report on app servers
>>
>>
>> Just to throw a spanner in the works....
>>
>> Gartner_Calls_Java_Application_Servers_a_Rip_OffGartner Calls Java
>> Application Servers a Rip-Off
>> By Maureen O'Gara
>>
>> Gartner the other day delivered itself of the opinion that customers had
>> overspent on application servers to the tune of a billion dollars in the
>> last three years or so and that, if they didn't stop letting
>> themselves be
>> sweet talked by a bunch of smooth operators, they stood to throw away
>> another $2 billion on the stuff in the next two years.
>>
>> Warming to the subject, it wondered if this might be "the last surviving
>> excess of the dot.com era."
>>
>> Of course Gartner had to withstand some jeers from the peanut
>> gallery about
>> its epiphany about users being gulled into buying more than they
>> needed as
>> though that wasn't an industry staple. Microsoft, however, waved the
>> revelation around like a beacon lamp.
>>
>> See, the Gartner findings knock Sun, IBM and BEA, which serves
>> Microsoft's
>> purposes just fine. Microsoft doesn't have an application server properly
>> speaking. It's always figured that the functionality should be
>> part of the
>> operating system. Gartner has always taken Microsoft to task for not
>> labeling the middleware the way Gartner advises and calls the
>> appellation,
>> Microsoft Transaction Server (MTS), "unfortunate."
>>
>> Microsoft's lead product manager for the .NET Framework John Montgomery
>> retorts, "We've got a name. It's called Windows."
>>
>> Anyway, sounding much like Microsoft, Gartner maintains that "application
>> server is a function, not a product" and that it's not identical
>> with Java 2
>> Enterprise Edition, the misconception that's supposedly behind a
>> lot of the
>> overspending, another truism that resonates with Microsoft because - God
>> knows - its stuff isn't J2EE or Java but does the application
>> server trick.
>>
>> Gartner claims that most applications only call for a low-end application
>> server - if for no other reason than what's being run are only
>> servlets and
>> Java Server Pages, not Enterprise Java Beans - in fact during
>> the past three
>> years 80% of Java deployments made no use of EJB whatsoever, yet
>> 60% of the
>> deployed Java application servers are pricey, high-end,
>> EJB-capable servers.
>>
>> Even allowing for servlet-based apps that are technically
>> advanced enough to
>> use high-end features like messaging, integration or data caching, that
>> still leaves more than 30% of all J2EE applications deployed in the last
>> three years as having paid the high cost of a high-end application server
>> unnecessarily.
>>
>> Going forward, Gartner says, the picture remains pretty much the same. By
>> 2003, it estimates, 60% of all new J2EE application code will remain
>> JSP/servlet-only, while at least 70% of new applications will deployed on
>> high-end application servers.
>>
>> Meanwhile, a perfectly suitable basic application server can
>> cost 10 times
>> less than the high-priced spread, Gartner says - and it's not
>> even figuring
>> in administration, maintenance and professional services - and include
>> En-hydra, WebLogic Express, iPlanet Web Server and WebSphere Standard
>> Edition. In some cases, the low-end widgetry is nearly free.
>>
>> Gartner figures they suit 80% of the projects in a typical mid-size
>> enterprise. It does not recommend them for applications likely to be in
>> production for more than two years or for ones that support more than a
>> thousand concurrent users.
>>
>> The research house says in practice companies have tried to
>> standardize on a
>> single application platform and squeeze all their development
>> efforts into
>> the high-end platform. As a result, project costs are increased and the
>> power of the overall application is reduced because the high-end
>> widgetry is
>> only good for OLTP stuff.
>>
>> Gartner notes that "Sun J2EE certification is not available for
>> servlet-only
>> platforms (EJB support is required for certification), which forces both
>> vendors and users to interpret J2EE and EJB as always linked and
>> sometimes
>> synonymous," holding that fancy footwork partially responsible for the
>> overbuying.
>>
>> It recommends using different application servers for
>> JSP/servlets and EJB
>> components.
>>
>> IBM never called back with a reaction to the Gartner study but
>> BEA managed
>> to put John Kiger, its director of product marketing for its E-Commerce
>> Server Division, on the phone. Kiger didn't dispute Gartner's
>> findings. He
>> just said that customers should be credited with making a more informed
>> decision than Gartner allows and that Gartner is underestimating
>> the value
>> of a common platform in terms of cost of ownership and investment
>> protection. Back to Headlines
>>
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