From: A mailing list for Enterprise JavaBeans development [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Wasetis, Ken
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 8:15 PM
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Subject: Re: Boom Baby! Microsoft reveals the (secret) bomb - J# .Net!
I agree with Carl, and I think it's likely that anyone on this list who actually uses J2EE (a platform) would be unlikely to build stand-alone J# 'utility' classes for use only with .NET. As the DevX article describes, one would not be able to make use of anything but the Java spec- not Java RMI, Jini, Servlets, EJBs, etc, etc. What would the point be of writing a few vanilla utility classes which cannot be reused with applications running in JVMs, but rather only for use with .Net?. If you're going to write something that will only run on Microsoft's platform, you'd want to write it in a more MS-originated language, I would think, unless just for tinkering.
I guess Carl is right. This has to be MS just trying to belittle Java as merely a language. And it does offer the MS sales team the marketing pitch of "it's simple to convert your Java classes to .Net". I don't even think MS actually expects many developers/ITs which have significant Java PLATFORM investments to be converted.
Any shop doing serious Java development is by now likely to be making use of J2EE and an application server. And this new MS Java spin can't be of any use to those shops.
Just my two cents. I think plenty of shops will standardize on .Net (if not already a J2EE shop), but I think J# will have less appeal than Microsoft's little helper, 'Bob'- remember that one?
-Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: Zetie, Carl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 9:19 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Boom Baby! Microsoft reveals the (secret) bomb - J# .Net!
Microsoft has always maintained that "Java is just another language", as
opposed to the J2EE community's position that J2EE is a platform. This move
by Microsoft is intended to "prove" its case.regards,
Carl Zetie> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jay Walters [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 5:56 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [EJB-INT] Boom Baby! Microsoft reveals the
> (secret) bomb -
> J# .Net!
>
>
> This is entirely consistent with Microsoft's strategy to
> adopt standards
> (Java if we take a few liberties) but to make subtle
> modifications so that
> interoperability is lost.
>
> Don't be confused, this is the strategy of a highly competent
> monopolist
> company seeking to defend their market.
>
> Cheers
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sunn�
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 10/10/01 8:13 AM
> Subject: Boom Baby! Microsoft reveals the (secret) bomb - J# .Net!
>
> Now, was anyone ever expecting Microsoft to return to Java?
> After abondoning Visual J++, and after the settlement with
> Sun, and of course the creation of .Net and C# ... to actively
> compete against Java and J2EE, and after rumours that Java
> (runtime) would not be installed in Windows XP ... I was never
> expecting Microsoft to ever return to the world of Java! I
> thought they would love to kill one of their strongest
> competitor - Java and its parent company Sun! But what I have
> recently heard and read about has just astonished me!
>
> Check this out - DevX breaking the news:
> http://www.devx.com/dotnet/articles/lp100901/lp100901.asp
>
> And check from the official sources - Microsoft:
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/visualj/jsharp/beta.asp
>
> Well, I guess may be Microsoft has changed their policies,
> and may be they have thought of being more competent than
> being monopolistic.
>
> Nonetheless, it seems to me as a business choice by Microsoft.
>
> Anywayz, I hope it will help both the communities - that of
> Java and that of Microsoft platforms, espcially it will help
> .Net.
>
> But the quetion is: Where and on whom are they planning to
> launch this bomb on? Sun? The developers? Or will it be Microsoft
> itself?
>
> What do u people think about this whole thing?
>
> Love and Peace
> -- Sawant Ali Shah
>
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