>>>>Programming is all about trade offs. Following patterns blindly
is
      >never
      >>>>a good idea.
      >>>I agree. What was the part where I was following patterns blindly?
      >>By assuming that a session facade with one overall transaction was
      >the only useful pattern.

            >Oh come on. How is the example I mentioned not suitable for
      session
            >facade pattern? If that is not, then what is? Have you
      suggested a
            >better alternative? Or do you just like preaching?

      >I have already explained that it's one large transaction over many
      domain objects. What you haven't done is explain why one transaction
      is required by your use case, >with the exception of some hand waying
      argument about ACID.

      I am getting a bit tired of this since you seem to have decided to
      refuse to understand my point. If you seriously think that for the
      example which I have repeatedly talked about in the previous messages
      (displaying a. on one case a cd and it's corresponding artist and b.
      on the other one artist and corresponding cds) the best approach
      would be to handle transactions manually with JTA, having separate
      transaction for fetching data for artist and for fetching data for
      records (or a separate transaction for each record?), then fine.
      That's you suggestion, it does not sound good to me, but then what
      the hell do I know?

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