Ron, Bob and all,

It is quite true that losses increase as the SWR increases - the ohmic losses are the contributing factor with increased current, but the dielectric losses will be important as the voltage increases - so both are a contributing factor. How much contribution is due to the ohmic loss or the dielectric loss is dependent on the feedline construction and frequency. With smaller feedlines and lower frequencies, the ohmic losses are likely to predominate, but as the physical size of the feedline increases, the dielectric losses may become the greater factor. The crossover point depends on frequency - and at HF, the ohmic loss usually predominates.

Perhaps I am being overly technical here - and it really may not be important - if you have losses, you simply generate heat instead of RF - these subtle points are only appropriate if you want to persure the proper path to reduce the loss. If you have already made the compromise choices that are right for your station, there is not much that can be done in the way of improvement - just understand your choices (decisions).

If you want to adopt a 'rule of thumb', a feedline with a higher characteristic impedance will have lower loss when comparing feedlines of similar size. Even though the center conductor of 75 ohm (RG-11) has a smaller diameter that 50 ohm (RG-8) coax - compare Belden 8237 with #13 center conductor with Belden 8213 with a smaller (#14) center conductor and you will see that the 75 ohm Belden 8213 has lower loss at higher frequencies even though the ohmic loss through the #13 center conductor will be smaller - the higher impedance cable wins in the loss game. Several other comparisons will reveal similar results.

73,
Don W3FPR

----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron D'Eau Claire" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Quite true about the relative losses, Bob. We've kicked this subject around
here in the past. It's been pointed out that, while it is true that  there
are dielectric losses in feedlines, feedlines operating at high SWR's are
more prone to resistive losses in the conductors than dielectric losses.



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