Greg,

Once we know what we are dealing with then we can work out a solution. It could be as simple as an external lowpass filter. That would be nice because the loss would be very low.

Bob

----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregory P. Daly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Robert Friess" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[email protected]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] XV-50 LNA problems


Bob

    I have an HP435A power meter, I'll look at how much signal shows up on
the 6 meter antenna tonight.... I expect it to be big, probably more than +20
dBm with +52 dBm comming out of the 2 meter amp. The 6 meter loop probably
works pretty good close to 3X it's design frequency, and only a couple feet away.... I'll measure it tonight, and let you know.... it might be a good bit
of info to have in the useful ham radio trivia collection

Greg


Robert Friess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

Hi Greg,

Because of the high power and close proximity of the antennas there is
probably considerable out of band power being applied to the LNA input. It
is difficult to suggest what is needed to alleviate the problem.  Do you
have some means of measuring the power at the XV50 input when the other
bands are active?

73,
Bob, N6CM


----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregory P. Daly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 9:55 AM
Subject: [Elecraft] XV-50 LNA problems


> Now that I have my K2 fully stuffed with goodies... DSP, NB, ATU, > Battery,
> SSB, 60M, 160M, IO... I got busy on transverters... and have all 3
> working...
> but...
>
> I plan to use the K2 and transverters, portable, for the June VHF > contest.
> I
> use M2 "HO loops" for the "low gain" stack to allow quick setup when we
> get to
> a hill top. By the time we've gotten "the easy ones" worked with the > low
> gain
> stack, the antenna monkeys have the "real" antennas up. The 50, 144, > and
> 222
> loops are about 2 feet apart on a common mast. The plan is to use > Mirage
> 160
> watt amps on each band.
>
> Much to my dismay, I discovered that with about 150 watts output, at
> 144.2,
> into the middle loop, the PHEMT GaAs FET, in the front end of the XV-50
> failed, gate to channel short. The first time, since my ESD discipline
> isn't
> the best at home, I assumed it was static damage, and the FET was
> "wounded"
> and failed after a couple days of operation. I was able to get several
> samples
> of this PHEMT from Agilent, and replaced the damaged part. The second
> time, it
> was obvious what had happened, the large 144 MHz signal from the nearby
> antenna had coupled enough energy into the 50 MHz antenna to destroy > the
> LNA FET.
>
> This configuration has worked in the past, with other radios. My ICOM
> 551's
> receiver has survived up to 500 watts in the 2 meter loop without > damage.
>
> This problem is soon to be worse; the spring antenna project will be a > 6
> element 6 meter yagi, on a common mast with the 2 meter and 1.25 meter
> yagis... and up to 1500 Watts on 2 meters.
>
> Any suggestions about protecting the GaAs FETs from VERY LOUD out of > band
> signals, without causing nasty intermodulation products? It would be a
> shame
> to build a killer transverter and waste it's excellent performance with
> clipper diodes in the front end.
>
> I've been thinking about bringing out band select signals, to switch > loads > onto the antenna ports of the unused transverters, but 12 volt coil > coax > relays are expensive. A shorted 1/4 wave stub might work, but it's > close
> to
> 3/4 wave at 2 meters, so it may not be enough, an open 1/2 wave stub at > 6 > meters is getting rather long for running around in the field, the > truck
> already has too much clutter on contest weekends ;-)
>
> Going back to the Icom receiver is not an option, after using the fully
> tricked out K2, listening to the 551 all weekend would be torture.
>
>
> 73 DE WB7RSG
>
> -- > Gregory P. Daly
> http://www.mitrek.com
>
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