> Not true, Look at the new offering from RMItaly DLA-1000, matched > pair of MRF157,
RM Italy's specifications are an outright fabrication. The MRF-157 is rated for 600 W PEP ... there is no way two of them are going to make 1500 W CW/RTTY or 1500 W PEP SSB and be clean. Of course RM Italy's "amplifiers" are notorious IMD generators. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 9/10/2010 4:38 PM, Mel Farrer wrote: > Not true, Look at the new offering from RMItaly DLA-1000, matched pair > of MRF157, $4k ouch. > > Mel > > --- On Fri, 9/10/10, Tony Fegan VE3QF<jafe...@rogers.com> wrote: > > From: Tony Fegan VE3QF<jafe...@rogers.com> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 > To: > Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Date: Friday, September 10, 2010, 12:22 PM > > Joe, > > Why not stack 4 KPA500's and use a combiner!!! > > 73 > Tony Fegan VE3QF > > On Fri-10-Sep-10 12:15 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >> >> Snip: > >> The one vacant market niche - and one Elecraft appear to have avoided - >> is the US "Legal Limit" solid state segment. There are literally >> dozens of 500 - 600 watt solid state amps and several good products >> at the 1000 W PEP level but there is nothing that covers 160 - 6 >> at 1500 W CW/RTTY. >> > >> 73, >> >> ... Joe, W4TV >> >> >> On 9/10/2010 11:57 AM, Jack Brabham wrote: >>> Lew, >>> >>> Except for issues related to physical size, most of your rationale for >>> not producing a 2KW amp seems equally applicable to a 500W amp. >>> >>> The K3, from a marketing perspective, played into a vacant market >>> niche. The Japanese companies had focused on low-end, how cheap can >>> we make it radios or over-priced bloated barges for the money is no >>> object crowd. >>> >>> There is still nothing out there that is competitive with the K3 on a >>> price/performance basis. >>> >>> The amp market on the other hand doesn't seem to have any vacant niches, >>> MFJ has the low end and mid-range covered and there are a herd of >>> companies duking it out over the high end market. >>> >>> There also doesn't seem to be much technical performance differentiation >>> between the low, mid, and high end amps on the market today. The >>> dollars/watt number for any particular brand seems to be mostly driven >>> by how fancy a box the amp is packaged in. >>> >>> So, I'm thinking that if Elecraft is determined to get into the amp >>> market the KPA500 will hit most of the product differentiators >>> available. It matches the K3 appearance and size, maintains the high >>> portability factor, and can claim some technical innovation for the >>> built-in PS. >>> >>> Considering that the principal product differentiators are only germane >>> to K3 owners maybe the intended market is primarily "existing K3 >>> owners", rather than the general amp market. No doubt that will be >>> where the Lion's share of the sales go in any case. >>> >>> Maybe the next Elecraft amp will be something more powerful with an >>> external PS but still in the K3 box, that would be interesting. >>> >>> 73 Jack KZ5A >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 9/10/2010 8:57 AM, Lew Phelps K6LMP wrote: >>>> I think some of the folks who are calling for gigawatt amplifiers (ok, >>>> full legal limit...) are losing focus on one key fact: Elecraft has >>>> prospered by making products that SOME hams want that NOBODY else makes. >>>> The K3 is a perfect example: an exquisite transceiver, quite arguably the >>>> best available at any price if you're not a fan of big boxes with big >>>> buttons. It's portable, can be expanded incrementally with modules to meet >>>> any operator's specific needs, and it's 'way up in the upper right hand >>>> corner of the value scatter graph (price on one axis, performance on the >>>> other). >>>> >>>> So, what could Elecraft bring to the 2KW amplifier market that would (a) >>>> differentiate it from the others and (b)stay within the general confines >>>> of the K3 "style", which means compact, efficient, modular expandability, >>>> and (probably) fit within the K3 form factor. >>>> >>>> You cannot build a 2KW amplifier that meets those criteria. Modular? Yes; >>>> you could make the power supply and an auto-tuner modular add-ons. >>>> Efficient? Yes. Compact? No. K3 form factor? Not a chance. For example, >>>> the Alpha 2KW amplifier measures 17.5w x 78.5h x 19.75d. It weighs well >>>> over 50 lbs. It costs $5000. There is no way to build a large-output amp >>>> that will fit within the K3 form factor. the physical size of components >>>> needed to handle that power makes it impossible. >>>> >>>> So, some on this list essentially are asking Elecraft to step outside its >>>> well-defined and highly successful approach to the market and build a "me >>>> too" legal limit amplifier that Elecraft could not meaningfully >>>> distinguish from the competition, except for the nameplate. Amplifiers are >>>> not that complex, compared to the K3. That lack of complexity is exactly >>>> why this is not a market in which Elecraft could compete successfully. >>>> There's no way to meaningfully differentiate its 2KW amp from others, >>>> except for the nameplate. Yes, they would "include" their superb customer >>>> support as a product feature. But I don't think they could bring enough >>>> differentiation from the Alpha, Tokyo Hygain, and other high end >>>> amplifiers already on the market to break into that market at a volume >>>> that would support design and production costs. >>>> >>>> The folks in Aptos DO understand the market. They are listening, and >>>> watching this dialogue. We can keep that process productive by not asking >>>> Elecraft to come out with a product that breaks the laws of physics. It's >>>> a small company, with limited design resources. Let's all encourage them >>>> to focus on new products that realistically fit within the Elecraft market >>>> niche. >>>> >>>> my 3 cents worth (inflation, you know...) >>>> >>>> Lew K6LMP >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sep 9, 2010, at 10:33 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: >>>> >>>>> Right, 500W is hardly worthwhile. Make it at least 2KW PEP. Got to make >>>>> up for the tuner and coax losses and to live on RTTY. >>>>> >>>>> --- On Thu, 9/9/10, Greg<n...@cableone.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Free market feedback...bring back the >>>>>> 1500 watt amp! 73 de Greg-N4CC >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >>>>> >>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html